I’ve said before I would skip to the polls with a song in my heart to pull the lever for either Bernie or Warren. One thing I haven’t seen discussed all that much (or maybe I’ve missed it) is that Bernie and Warren’s *combined* support equals or exceeds Biden’s in poll after poll. Aside from hardcore Bernie Bros and Warren Stans, there are a lot of voters in the left wing of the Democratic Party who would support Bernie, and a lot of DSA lefties who would find Warren palatable. If they continue to split the progressive/left vote I think they may be handing the nomination to Biden.
Of course, the whole “lanes” concept is weird this cycle: people who have Biden as their first choice have Bernie as their second, and vice versa, which I find bizarre. The number of people who think an old white guy is the only hope against Trump is a constant bafflement to me.
God I hope not as far as Harris is concerned I mean. I hope Bernie pulls it back. Because other than (very maybe) Warren there is no one else who will try to do anything to really change our trajectory, which is just down, much like the later Roman Empire.
The thing about agreeing to vote for whomever, is that as soon as one does that out in the open (no matter what they will really do when push comes to shove November of next year) than one loses whatever little leverage they might have.
“The thing about agreeing to vote for whomever is that as soon as one does that out in the open…one loses whatever little leverage they might have.” I want to be certain I understand you correctly here. First, I assume that “one” refers to “(candidate).” What, then, is intended by “leverage?”
Perhaps you mean that as long as “one” (let’s say, oh, the junior Senator from Vermont) implicitly threatens to take his marbles and go home after next year’s convention if the brass ring is conferred upon some loathsome trimmer, then there’s a better chance that he can pull the rest of the field toward his own policy preferences to placate him. Particularly in light of his somewhat less-than full-throated support for the nominee three years ago, and the “principled abstention” of many of his dead-enders that November, this stance strikes me as irresponsible. For my part, and although I have scant esteem for a cranky back-bencher who adopts Democratic Party affiliation as a flag of convenience, I will vote for the Sage of Burlington next year if he’s the anointed one. Hell, against Donald Trump I will vote for *any* Democratic candidate, including Marianne fucking Williamson (spits), Tulsi fucking Gabbard (projectile vomits), or the re-animated corpse of Spiro Agnew (make America grave again). But perhaps that’s because, as a BernieBro observed in another forum when I expressed a preference for Warren, I am a “phony leftist.”
If I have put the wrong construction on your comment, I beg your pardon.
You completely misconstrue what I said and then throw in a bunch of BS about the election 3 years ago. Three years ago.Sanders travelled all over and spoke very strongly in support of Clinton with no reservations and completely "full throated". Second, a higher percentage of Sander's supporters voted for Clinton than Clinton Supporters had voted for Obama in 2008.
I was referring to individual voters when I said "one", but then you knew that and used your wilful misreading to try to make a point.
Sorry, but what “leverage” does the individual forfeit in your scenario? My reading of your comment was not unreasonable, and I allowed for the possibility that I was misinterpreting it. But I’ve no interest in getting into a slanging match in Roy’s precincts.
Every voter and worker has whatever tiny leverage their work and vote holds. If they tell the establishment that no matter what they will vote for whomever the establishment chooses then they lose that tiny little leverage.
Sigh. If the establishment chooses Biden, I am going to go ahead and fucking vote for Biden, not Trump, not Stein, and not writing in Bernie. To acknowledge this certainty does not cede any “leverage.”
The only time that the media talking heads can praise Democrats is when they espouse Republican Lite positions. I believe that’s in their corporate charters.
I’ve said before I would skip to the polls with a song in my heart to pull the lever for either Bernie or Warren. One thing I haven’t seen discussed all that much (or maybe I’ve missed it) is that Bernie and Warren’s *combined* support equals or exceeds Biden’s in poll after poll. Aside from hardcore Bernie Bros and Warren Stans, there are a lot of voters in the left wing of the Democratic Party who would support Bernie, and a lot of DSA lefties who would find Warren palatable. If they continue to split the progressive/left vote I think they may be handing the nomination to Biden.
Of course, the whole “lanes” concept is weird this cycle: people who have Biden as their first choice have Bernie as their second, and vice versa, which I find bizarre. The number of people who think an old white guy is the only hope against Trump is a constant bafflement to me.
"Biden Johnson is right!"
God I hope not as far as Harris is concerned I mean. I hope Bernie pulls it back. Because other than (very maybe) Warren there is no one else who will try to do anything to really change our trajectory, which is just down, much like the later Roman Empire.
The thing about agreeing to vote for whomever, is that as soon as one does that out in the open (no matter what they will really do when push comes to shove November of next year) than one loses whatever little leverage they might have.
“The thing about agreeing to vote for whomever is that as soon as one does that out in the open…one loses whatever little leverage they might have.” I want to be certain I understand you correctly here. First, I assume that “one” refers to “(candidate).” What, then, is intended by “leverage?”
Perhaps you mean that as long as “one” (let’s say, oh, the junior Senator from Vermont) implicitly threatens to take his marbles and go home after next year’s convention if the brass ring is conferred upon some loathsome trimmer, then there’s a better chance that he can pull the rest of the field toward his own policy preferences to placate him. Particularly in light of his somewhat less-than full-throated support for the nominee three years ago, and the “principled abstention” of many of his dead-enders that November, this stance strikes me as irresponsible. For my part, and although I have scant esteem for a cranky back-bencher who adopts Democratic Party affiliation as a flag of convenience, I will vote for the Sage of Burlington next year if he’s the anointed one. Hell, against Donald Trump I will vote for *any* Democratic candidate, including Marianne fucking Williamson (spits), Tulsi fucking Gabbard (projectile vomits), or the re-animated corpse of Spiro Agnew (make America grave again). But perhaps that’s because, as a BernieBro observed in another forum when I expressed a preference for Warren, I am a “phony leftist.”
If I have put the wrong construction on your comment, I beg your pardon.
You completely misconstrue what I said and then throw in a bunch of BS about the election 3 years ago. Three years ago.Sanders travelled all over and spoke very strongly in support of Clinton with no reservations and completely "full throated". Second, a higher percentage of Sander's supporters voted for Clinton than Clinton Supporters had voted for Obama in 2008.
I was referring to individual voters when I said "one", but then you knew that and used your wilful misreading to try to make a point.
Sorry, but what “leverage” does the individual forfeit in your scenario? My reading of your comment was not unreasonable, and I allowed for the possibility that I was misinterpreting it. But I’ve no interest in getting into a slanging match in Roy’s precincts.
Every voter and worker has whatever tiny leverage their work and vote holds. If they tell the establishment that no matter what they will vote for whomever the establishment chooses then they lose that tiny little leverage.
Sigh. If the establishment chooses Biden, I am going to go ahead and fucking vote for Biden, not Trump, not Stein, and not writing in Bernie. To acknowledge this certainty does not cede any “leverage.”
So, Biden is into vinyl. Cool!
So, why did the moderators pose many questions using the Republican outlook for the issue?
Because Republicans gonna Republican. (And they believe that the "public" airwaves should only belong to them.)
The only time that the media talking heads can praise Democrats is when they espouse Republican Lite positions. I believe that’s in their corporate charters.
Bernie is the best President America will never have.