I've never found a more effective response to the fake-indignant question "how come THEY can say it but I can't" than simply telling the person "there are 170,000 words in the English language. There are maybe 3 dozen you shouldn't say. Relax, you'll be fine."
Oct 31, 2022·edited Oct 31, 2022Liked by Roy Edroso
Maybe sad, maybe amazing, maybe I don't know what but that this is the freedom the pardon my French worthless (or worse) motherfuckers are going apeshit over... (That vented, I still think a not insignificant amount of this is just to excite the base to go out and vote so a chunk will be disappearing in a few weeks.)
Meanwhile... given the toxic spew of sewage that's been conservative media for the past couple of decades and what one could call the unsophistication of those people, only the volume here should be at all surprising -- and since Donnie's first run, not even that.
We're seeing the fine people of the heartland of the homeland (hateful, pro-death, leeches of my taxes) for what they are, always have been and will always be.
I mean, fighting for the freedom to hate.
JFC.
Meanwhile, America's greatest living genius, Elon Musk, showed us the other day real freedom by pushing the far right theory that the attack on Paul Pelosi was strictly a homosexual lovers' thing that got out of hand. But then again, as the MSM has been legitimatizing and moralizing insanity, sure, that.
Pretty sure gay genie won't go back into the ( immaculately decorated ) bottle.
I work in a facility with about 150 people .
At least 20 % are of who knows what gender. And nobody cares. These aren't cosmopolitan academics. These are salt of the earth lower to middle class working stiffs working here because it's close to home and we don't drug test.
Everybody's relieved that they don't have to pretend Uncle George is just an old bachelor that never met the right woman.
Now everybody goes over to Uncle George' s for Thanksgiving where him and his partner Tom put out the best buffet imaginable. They can hate all they. want.Pass all the bullshit laws. Doesn't matter. They've already lost that one.
It’s the Republican Hate Superbowl campaign: the Jiggaboos vs the Hebes, with the Fags, Chinks, Spics, Micks, Polacks and Wops on deck. Plenty of hate for every taste in the old melting pot.
Oct 31, 2022·edited Oct 31, 2022Liked by Roy Edroso
Yea, I get what you are saying, and also where the conservatives are coming from, but still can’t stop myself recoiling at the idea that the types of speech people are entitled to is dependent on their skin color or ethnicity. And I’ve come to believe that the euphemism “n-word “ is much worse in common usage than what it is euphemisizing, and to use the euphemism in many contexts is worse than what it’s replacing, serving to make bad people look less bad.
I imagine even these right-wing hatemongers subscribe to the idea that you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater. But what they never seem to grasp, even as the extreme capitalists they profess to be, is that you can't yell -anything- in a theater that the theater owner doesn't want you to yell.
Tangentially related remark from MoRon Johnson, in the debate with Mandela Barnes, claiming that criticism from groups like BLM had "dispirited" the police, and that's why crime is up. See, it's always about the words, never about anything real. So racism is always "someone said a racist thing" never anything more than that, certainly never anything systemic that affects the real lives of real people. It's a handy tactic if your goal is to never, under any circumstances, engage in any actual problem-solving, just get everyone tied up in an endless meta-debate, talking about talking.
They aren't real shy about hating Blacks or Hispanics if that's their pleasure. If they felt like that about gays I'd of picked it up I think. I'm sure there's someone with issues. The culture is such they keep it to themselves though.
When the Founders saw the light of reason all those years ago after Adam Weishaupt sent an agent over to work his magic, they were surely thinking "hate speech is all there is to free speech."
Ten years ago, enough Republicans agreed that violence has no place in our political process. Today, the Republican Party in the House has refused to join the January 6 Committee. In the Senate, within days of the attempted violent coup, Republicans declared it not an impeachable offense. Multiple high-ranking persons close to the Trump Administration have refused to testify about what they saw that day, and Republicans like Cheney and Kinzinger who said violence needs to be punished and prevented from recurring have been run out of office by Republican voters. So. Here we are. One party and enough of its voters have declared, repeatedly and loudly in word and action, that they believe violence DOES have a place in our political process. That is the context in which they are demanding more hate speech. Not good, if you like, as I do, the USA.
I know I'm not the first person to mention it, but there's a sad commentary here about the small conservative imagination. This is it, their great, glorious victory for Free Speech: they can now yell slurs at minorities without repercussion.
Hearted reluctantly, except that Roy's logic is impeccable.
I've never found a more effective response to the fake-indignant question "how come THEY can say it but I can't" than simply telling the person "there are 170,000 words in the English language. There are maybe 3 dozen you shouldn't say. Relax, you'll be fine."
Maybe sad, maybe amazing, maybe I don't know what but that this is the freedom the pardon my French worthless (or worse) motherfuckers are going apeshit over... (That vented, I still think a not insignificant amount of this is just to excite the base to go out and vote so a chunk will be disappearing in a few weeks.)
Meanwhile... given the toxic spew of sewage that's been conservative media for the past couple of decades and what one could call the unsophistication of those people, only the volume here should be at all surprising -- and since Donnie's first run, not even that.
We're seeing the fine people of the heartland of the homeland (hateful, pro-death, leeches of my taxes) for what they are, always have been and will always be.
I mean, fighting for the freedom to hate.
JFC.
Meanwhile, America's greatest living genius, Elon Musk, showed us the other day real freedom by pushing the far right theory that the attack on Paul Pelosi was strictly a homosexual lovers' thing that got out of hand. But then again, as the MSM has been legitimatizing and moralizing insanity, sure, that.
Pretty sure gay genie won't go back into the ( immaculately decorated ) bottle.
I work in a facility with about 150 people .
At least 20 % are of who knows what gender. And nobody cares. These aren't cosmopolitan academics. These are salt of the earth lower to middle class working stiffs working here because it's close to home and we don't drug test.
Everybody's relieved that they don't have to pretend Uncle George is just an old bachelor that never met the right woman.
Now everybody goes over to Uncle George' s for Thanksgiving where him and his partner Tom put out the best buffet imaginable. They can hate all they. want.Pass all the bullshit laws. Doesn't matter. They've already lost that one.
I've been saying for years that (name the winger du jour) is just mad that (s)he can't say n****r in public.
It’s the Republican Hate Superbowl campaign: the Jiggaboos vs the Hebes, with the Fags, Chinks, Spics, Micks, Polacks and Wops on deck. Plenty of hate for every taste in the old melting pot.
But... but... how can you say this when some people in Minneapolis burned down an AutoZone three years ago. #neverforgettheAutoZone
Yea, I get what you are saying, and also where the conservatives are coming from, but still can’t stop myself recoiling at the idea that the types of speech people are entitled to is dependent on their skin color or ethnicity. And I’ve come to believe that the euphemism “n-word “ is much worse in common usage than what it is euphemisizing, and to use the euphemism in many contexts is worse than what it’s replacing, serving to make bad people look less bad.
Amen. Question: is our antisemitism as ingrained as our racism?
I imagine even these right-wing hatemongers subscribe to the idea that you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater. But what they never seem to grasp, even as the extreme capitalists they profess to be, is that you can't yell -anything- in a theater that the theater owner doesn't want you to yell.
Tangentially related remark from MoRon Johnson, in the debate with Mandela Barnes, claiming that criticism from groups like BLM had "dispirited" the police, and that's why crime is up. See, it's always about the words, never about anything real. So racism is always "someone said a racist thing" never anything more than that, certainly never anything systemic that affects the real lives of real people. It's a handy tactic if your goal is to never, under any circumstances, engage in any actual problem-solving, just get everyone tied up in an endless meta-debate, talking about talking.
This should be public.
They aren't real shy about hating Blacks or Hispanics if that's their pleasure. If they felt like that about gays I'd of picked it up I think. I'm sure there's someone with issues. The culture is such they keep it to themselves though.
When the Founders saw the light of reason all those years ago after Adam Weishaupt sent an agent over to work his magic, they were surely thinking "hate speech is all there is to free speech."
Ten years ago, enough Republicans agreed that violence has no place in our political process. Today, the Republican Party in the House has refused to join the January 6 Committee. In the Senate, within days of the attempted violent coup, Republicans declared it not an impeachable offense. Multiple high-ranking persons close to the Trump Administration have refused to testify about what they saw that day, and Republicans like Cheney and Kinzinger who said violence needs to be punished and prevented from recurring have been run out of office by Republican voters. So. Here we are. One party and enough of its voters have declared, repeatedly and loudly in word and action, that they believe violence DOES have a place in our political process. That is the context in which they are demanding more hate speech. Not good, if you like, as I do, the USA.
I know I'm not the first person to mention it, but there's a sad commentary here about the small conservative imagination. This is it, their great, glorious victory for Free Speech: they can now yell slurs at minorities without repercussion.