Couldn’t agree with you more, Mr. E. Your whole analysis is exactly what I was thinking. But wait; there’s more (as they say in the Ad Biz). I am seriously concerned that, in spite of his interrupting and bullying (or maybe because of it?) Trump appeared the stronger contender. I am now frightened as well as disgusted
It's a good thing in many ways (especially in your business!) to consider how other people *might* feel, but sometimes you gotta go with your own feelings and invite the world to come along.
I don't think Trump showed any strength. When you have to talk over your opponent (and the moderator!) it shows nothing but weakness, IMHO. The only people who that kind of thing appeals to are already going to vote for him, no matter what.
I don’t think there has been any clearer proof of the damage Trump’s 2016 surprise win inflicted on the collective Democratic psyche than the nagging worry felt by some liberals that Trump, a bullying, drug-taking, delusional, sociopathic, and physically unwell man with diminished mental acuity, would somehow pull a sterling debate performance out of his hip pocket and say “ta-DA!”
Biden was Biden, meh. But Trump rattled Chris Wallace more than he rattled Biden, who looked presidential simply by virtue of not telling Trump to get fucked.
Can we all just talk about things we did rather than watching the debate? I watched Il Giasone, an opera by the seventeenth-century composer Francesco Cavalli. Enormous fun. Watching opera is good for me because it reminds me that humans are capable of doing things that don't suck, something I am NEVER reminded of when thinking about our politics.
I got extremely stoned and binge-ate an entire pound of storebought medium salsa, which worked okay on the migraine distraction principle, but I may have killed several million tastebuds. This is probably the most suburban thing I have said to anyone not involved in Webkinz. I still feel it was a better use of my time. I did catch Trump interrupting with "Can I be honest?" and Biden going "I dunno, can you? Try." And Wallace saying "The answer is no," but I'm pretty sure he meant a different question.
Short of, say, going Brad Pascale, there couldn't be any worse way than spending and hour and half of one's life watching that display of an unhinged POTUS.
I watched an NRL match (NRL=Australian Rugby) that I had recorded. Rabbitohs v. Roosters, a true rivalry (South Sydney v. Sydney) Rabbitohs crushed the Roosters 60-8.
A fair and far better use use of my time even if neither are "my team". Then I handed the remote to my wife so she could watch her distraction, a fantasy series that looks interesting to me but, if you don't get in early you missed the foreshadowing.
Well, Roy, this is a pleasant surprise! I only made it an hour on NPR radio. That Biden called him a clown and emphasized that you gotta have a plan was good but otherwise it was like the worst sort of embarrassing family gathering. Some clever devil on FB pointed out that you sort of have to hand it to Biden for surviving "debates" with both Trump and Sarah Palin.
Roy, I thought Biden did a little better than you give him credit for, but I agree that Trump was just disgusting. He made a bigger fool of himself than ever, and while his cult will never give a shit, I like to think that at least some people who were considering sitting things out were swayed to Biden. It's possible that Trump lost the election tonight.
Thought Biden did well...tonight showed a stark contrast between psychopathic ramblings to a caring compassionate “human”, maybe Biden is saving more bite for next two bouts. Chris Wallace was great...balancing letting trump be trump and reeling in the interruptions...
All I can say is I think Brendan Gleeson did a helluva job portraying Trump as the sweating, screaming monster he is in real life. Bravo. The makeup and hair were a bit overdone, but it didn't affect my judgement of his magnificent performance. Can't wait for the next episode.
All I know about the debate so far is this reportage and the Times' headline in which they say Trump killed Old Joe.
Well, I'm an old fart and I remember the old days when there'd be questions and answers and what we got was a 73 year old bully doing what he's done his entire adult life: Acting like a five year old that needed some how you say serious corporal discipline.
Between this and the taxes, I cannot believe that anyone at all wavering will consider voting for Donnie and I hate to be the one to correct the establishment press from protecting our democracy, but independents -- swing voters -- put Donnie in office and I'd like to believe a shit ton of them have finally realized that Trump is, in every respect that matters, an unfit, unacceptable piece of shit.
And Wallace had said his job wasn't to fact check and I agree more than not. But he fucking well should have kept the debate under control; Donnie's mike should have been shut off till he wanted to play by the rules. But then again, who thinks the media didn't get the exact ratings magnet of a show they wanted?
As for Old Joe appearing old, well, that's old news. As for Donnie, his people were right; there should have been pre-debate drug tests.
Of course, time will tell. And, LOL, if things are better in the next two debates, this one won't even be a memory.
"the Times' headline in which they say Trump killed Old Joe." Really? I checked their online edition, and all I could see was "Trump screwed the pooch" stories.
The headline was in a Times email I saw first thing this morning while about 30% awake. I know the both the website’s and paper’s headlines were fairly neutral. But given the copious insanity and fascism and disrespect for the election that Trump spewed, I dunno, anything in the realm of balance is disinformation, a failure of journalism. The fact is and has been for a couple of years that Trump is clinically insane (and getting worse) and he’s POTUS. That should be a serious subject for real journalism. And the media still can’t report it. It’s not a matter of taking sides; it’s a fact that’s inarguable.
The real killer would have been for Biden to point out that DJT is not a successful businessman, that he's massively in debt, & that the debts are a national security risk. The Occupant would have apoplexied right there on stage. But that story is a bit too new to do much with right now. When's the next tirade? Maybe Joe will be ready then.
I'm glad to hear you report that highly about Biden. Calm is good, responsible is good. A bit more snap would be good, but you got to have a first debate to feel each other out. You're right in saying the culties are there for the madness, but the rest of us may be swayed...
I tried, I TRIED to watch more of this. Earlier in the day, I was actually looking forward to it, in order to see if Biden would pull a Jerry Nadler, more figuratively than literally. By the time it rolled around after work and family stuff...I have a lot of plans that don't come to fruition after 9:00 PM...
From the small amount of it that I could stand, I didn't see the needle move one direction or another. If over 90% are decided, I would doubt that anyone's changing based on what was on display there.
Furthermore, I would also say to anyone who was still undecided, don't vote. You don't have to. If neither of them move you, or you're disgusted by both, cool. You can use your conscience to not vote as well.
I can't see how anyone with the slightest doubt about Donnie would vote for him now. He was clearly insane and I'd like to think a fully unhinged POTUS isn't attractive to voters. But I'm an old guy. Maybe times have changed?
I did not watch the debate. All I see this morning is the plain evidence of the collapse of the USA. This isn't a country anymore. Were any great task required of this country it would not be able to perform it. The USA is a helpless giant, staggering to a fall. I just wonder how bloody it's gonna turn out. The election won't mean shit no matter who wins it. Things are not gonna get better anytime soon - they will continue to get worse. This has nothing to do with who is president and everything to do with the fact that the country is hopelessly divided. There is a white, ethnonationalist, racist minority that is readying to use violence to keep it's hold on power. You my friends are the targets.
But ya know, even in the middle of collapse life goes on. I've gotta clear out the rest of my garden this afternoon and till it before the rains set in for good. I've got my 4 ganja plants that have grown quite large and need to be processed - that always keeps me busy in October. I've got to get the place ready for winter - clearing the gutters, putting up storm windows, etc.
Fuck the politics in this country, they're not working and will not work until something happens to break the logjam. What that will be... I have no idea. I'm not in the prediction business.
I sure as hell am glad I didn't bother watching the debate. I'm sorry you had to Roy but I guess someone has to document the atrocities.
That the GOP And complicit Dems have spent decades turning the US into a failed state and shithole is another story the media won't report: The pandemic failure, triggering an economic collapse; and a POTUS inciting racial violence and is not engaged in subverting and rigging an election. Nothing developed nation there.
Rather than watch the shitshow, I watched a doc on the sinking of refugee ships in WW2. Good choice by me.
I watched the pumpkin carving contest show. I'm saving the haunted gingerbread show for the next debate.
I went to bed early.
Couldn’t agree with you more, Mr. E. Your whole analysis is exactly what I was thinking. But wait; there’s more (as they say in the Ad Biz). I am seriously concerned that, in spite of his interrupting and bullying (or maybe because of it?) Trump appeared the stronger contender. I am now frightened as well as disgusted
It's a good thing in many ways (especially in your business!) to consider how other people *might* feel, but sometimes you gotta go with your own feelings and invite the world to come along.
¿Que, Jefe?
I don't think Trump showed any strength. When you have to talk over your opponent (and the moderator!) it shows nothing but weakness, IMHO. The only people who that kind of thing appeals to are already going to vote for him, no matter what.
You can say that again.
Stronger contender or bug nut insane?
I don’t think there has been any clearer proof of the damage Trump’s 2016 surprise win inflicted on the collective Democratic psyche than the nagging worry felt by some liberals that Trump, a bullying, drug-taking, delusional, sociopathic, and physically unwell man with diminished mental acuity, would somehow pull a sterling debate performance out of his hip pocket and say “ta-DA!”
Biden was Biden, meh. But Trump rattled Chris Wallace more than he rattled Biden, who looked presidential simply by virtue of not telling Trump to get fucked.
I think he could have looked presidential by telling Trump to get fucked, but I may have a slightly different content filter.
Fucked is you and me; shut up was presidential.
Telling Trump to shut up and calling him a clown were pretty good, though.
Good? It was great! </tonythetigervoice>
Yet Old Joe got out the great line: Will you shut up, man?, speaking for the majority of the ignored American people.
Can we all just talk about things we did rather than watching the debate? I watched Il Giasone, an opera by the seventeenth-century composer Francesco Cavalli. Enormous fun. Watching opera is good for me because it reminds me that humans are capable of doing things that don't suck, something I am NEVER reminded of when thinking about our politics.
I got extremely stoned and binge-ate an entire pound of storebought medium salsa, which worked okay on the migraine distraction principle, but I may have killed several million tastebuds. This is probably the most suburban thing I have said to anyone not involved in Webkinz. I still feel it was a better use of my time. I did catch Trump interrupting with "Can I be honest?" and Biden going "I dunno, can you? Try." And Wallace saying "The answer is no," but I'm pretty sure he meant a different question.
Short of, say, going Brad Pascale, there couldn't be any worse way than spending and hour and half of one's life watching that display of an unhinged POTUS.
(We watched a DVD--Peter Ustinov, Diana Rigg, Maggie Smith, James Mason, Roddy McDowall et al in Agatha Christie's "Evil Under The Sun" from 1980.)
That's a fun one. Ustinov is my favourite Poirot, David Suchet is good too.
That's a great cast. Will have to search that one out.
I watched an NRL match (NRL=Australian Rugby) that I had recorded. Rabbitohs v. Roosters, a true rivalry (South Sydney v. Sydney) Rabbitohs crushed the Roosters 60-8.
A fair and far better use use of my time even if neither are "my team". Then I handed the remote to my wife so she could watch her distraction, a fantasy series that looks interesting to me but, if you don't get in early you missed the foreshadowing.
Well, Roy, this is a pleasant surprise! I only made it an hour on NPR radio. That Biden called him a clown and emphasized that you gotta have a plan was good but otherwise it was like the worst sort of embarrassing family gathering. Some clever devil on FB pointed out that you sort of have to hand it to Biden for surviving "debates" with both Trump and Sarah Palin.
Roy, I thought Biden did a little better than you give him credit for, but I agree that Trump was just disgusting. He made a bigger fool of himself than ever, and while his cult will never give a shit, I like to think that at least some people who were considering sitting things out were swayed to Biden. It's possible that Trump lost the election tonight.
Thought Biden did well...tonight showed a stark contrast between psychopathic ramblings to a caring compassionate “human”, maybe Biden is saving more bite for next two bouts. Chris Wallace was great...balancing letting trump be trump and reeling in the interruptions...
All I can say is I think Brendan Gleeson did a helluva job portraying Trump as the sweating, screaming monster he is in real life. Bravo. The makeup and hair were a bit overdone, but it didn't affect my judgement of his magnificent performance. Can't wait for the next episode.
I thought "Law and order and Justice" was pretty good. Also, did Trump say he has tape of Biden rigging the election? I don't suppose it will matter.
"Law and order and justice" is from the '60s; especially in the black community they'd say that they always got the first two but never the third.
All I know about the debate so far is this reportage and the Times' headline in which they say Trump killed Old Joe.
Well, I'm an old fart and I remember the old days when there'd be questions and answers and what we got was a 73 year old bully doing what he's done his entire adult life: Acting like a five year old that needed some how you say serious corporal discipline.
Between this and the taxes, I cannot believe that anyone at all wavering will consider voting for Donnie and I hate to be the one to correct the establishment press from protecting our democracy, but independents -- swing voters -- put Donnie in office and I'd like to believe a shit ton of them have finally realized that Trump is, in every respect that matters, an unfit, unacceptable piece of shit.
And Wallace had said his job wasn't to fact check and I agree more than not. But he fucking well should have kept the debate under control; Donnie's mike should have been shut off till he wanted to play by the rules. But then again, who thinks the media didn't get the exact ratings magnet of a show they wanted?
As for Old Joe appearing old, well, that's old news. As for Donnie, his people were right; there should have been pre-debate drug tests.
Of course, time will tell. And, LOL, if things are better in the next two debates, this one won't even be a memory.
"the Times' headline in which they say Trump killed Old Joe." Really? I checked their online edition, and all I could see was "Trump screwed the pooch" stories.
The headline was in a Times email I saw first thing this morning while about 30% awake. I know the both the website’s and paper’s headlines were fairly neutral. But given the copious insanity and fascism and disrespect for the election that Trump spewed, I dunno, anything in the realm of balance is disinformation, a failure of journalism. The fact is and has been for a couple of years that Trump is clinically insane (and getting worse) and he’s POTUS. That should be a serious subject for real journalism. And the media still can’t report it. It’s not a matter of taking sides; it’s a fact that’s inarguable.
But the media wanted a shit show and they got it.
https://twitter.com/MattGertz/status/1311137916173856770
To the media’s credit, the both sides thing got corrected early on.
To paraphrase Al Goldstein, Matt Gertz, fuck you!
So yesterday's post was just straight reporting after all.
The real killer would have been for Biden to point out that DJT is not a successful businessman, that he's massively in debt, & that the debts are a national security risk. The Occupant would have apoplexied right there on stage. But that story is a bit too new to do much with right now. When's the next tirade? Maybe Joe will be ready then.
I'm glad to hear you report that highly about Biden. Calm is good, responsible is good. A bit more snap would be good, but you got to have a first debate to feel each other out. You're right in saying the culties are there for the madness, but the rest of us may be swayed...
Some comrade somewhere said something like Old Joe should just say 750 whenever he can.
I tried, I TRIED to watch more of this. Earlier in the day, I was actually looking forward to it, in order to see if Biden would pull a Jerry Nadler, more figuratively than literally. By the time it rolled around after work and family stuff...I have a lot of plans that don't come to fruition after 9:00 PM...
From the small amount of it that I could stand, I didn't see the needle move one direction or another. If over 90% are decided, I would doubt that anyone's changing based on what was on display there.
Furthermore, I would also say to anyone who was still undecided, don't vote. You don't have to. If neither of them move you, or you're disgusted by both, cool. You can use your conscience to not vote as well.
I can't see how anyone with the slightest doubt about Donnie would vote for him now. He was clearly insane and I'd like to think a fully unhinged POTUS isn't attractive to voters. But I'm an old guy. Maybe times have changed?
President Biff harassing Vice President Marty McFly, worst “Back to the Future” ever.
"My opinion about the debate is that Trump is a fascist and should be removed." I'm surprised that it took this debate to convince you of that.
Oh I've felt that way for years.
I did not watch the debate. All I see this morning is the plain evidence of the collapse of the USA. This isn't a country anymore. Were any great task required of this country it would not be able to perform it. The USA is a helpless giant, staggering to a fall. I just wonder how bloody it's gonna turn out. The election won't mean shit no matter who wins it. Things are not gonna get better anytime soon - they will continue to get worse. This has nothing to do with who is president and everything to do with the fact that the country is hopelessly divided. There is a white, ethnonationalist, racist minority that is readying to use violence to keep it's hold on power. You my friends are the targets.
But ya know, even in the middle of collapse life goes on. I've gotta clear out the rest of my garden this afternoon and till it before the rains set in for good. I've got my 4 ganja plants that have grown quite large and need to be processed - that always keeps me busy in October. I've got to get the place ready for winter - clearing the gutters, putting up storm windows, etc.
Fuck the politics in this country, they're not working and will not work until something happens to break the logjam. What that will be... I have no idea. I'm not in the prediction business.
I sure as hell am glad I didn't bother watching the debate. I'm sorry you had to Roy but I guess someone has to document the atrocities.
That the GOP And complicit Dems have spent decades turning the US into a failed state and shithole is another story the media won't report: The pandemic failure, triggering an economic collapse; and a POTUS inciting racial violence and is not engaged in subverting and rigging an election. Nothing developed nation there.
"All I see this morning is the plain evidence of the collapse of the USA." Well, duh, that's every morning.