“Although I fully realize Trump is the Antichrist that was foretold – Jesus himself said ‘false messiahs and false prophets will appear and produce great signs and omens, to lead astray, if possible, even the elect’ – I just don’t like the cut of Biden’s jib. He drives a Corvette and I’ve always been a Mustang guy.”
--- white voter in rural Pennsylvania, interviewed in a diner (natch)
McCain says Rice as VP is a deal breaker for her, because she's never been elected to anything. Like Trump has? These people kill me, and it remains to be seen if that will be literal. A hundred sixty thousand dead, at least a quarter million by the election, and these fuckers are worried Biden is somehow going to manage to slip through forced re-education farms or some fucking thing. Obama barely got healthcare, to which we still have a highly disputed right and an impractical access, and these sociopaths are worried their taxes might go up, because Biden's definitely going to accomplish that, he's surely popular enough to change our national song to The Internationale. Really? What planet are these people on? Biden's likely to agree to cuts in Social Security. I'm somehow not concerned about mandatory gay abortions.
You write this as snark, but I can tell you that I have met and know far too many people who say they WILL sit out the election if Biden picks [fill in name of woman]. Most of these people are dyed-in-the-wool liberals I've known for years--and a distressingly high number of them are women. (During the primaries, I heard many women saying how eager they were to vote for a woman for president--just not THAT woman, whomever that woman happened to be a the moment.)
So I fear we may be doomed by the stupid, the misogyny, and the racism that cuts across Party lines. It's not just Rightwingers who detest Trump but won't vote for Biden. I see too many liberals and Leftys grasping for reasons to not vote for Biden. And I despair.
Spot-on, Roy. My friend's father—fairly comfortable, white, 70s, small town Indiana, Viet Nam vet, no college. This man absolutely hates Don. Detests him. And he's rightly terrified of Covid 19, for himself and his adult children. He generally agrees there's been grotesque mismanagement (no management) to control the spread of the virus. But there's just no way in hell he will vote for a Democrat. His issues tend to be flag-burning and kneeling at the national anthem and shit like that. Fox News has him by the brainstem.
There are millions of these people. Don himself isn't the core problem, not by a long shot. It's the right wing media and the money behind the GOP in general that is the real issue. Don will be quickly and gladly forgotten by most of these folks. True-blooded MAGAts are the minority.
1. S.E Cupp was part of the problem when chose wrote in a candidate in 2016, and she hasn't learned anything since. "Yes, Trump is a Nazi, but if Biden chooses Susan Rice I'm out of here" -- this is her breaking point? Reading the article, I couldn't help but think that Cupp was offering herself for the job.
2. I admit, I'd be much happier with Kamala Harris than Susan Rice. However, Biden's choice isn't a dealbreaker for me, or (I hope) anyone else with a shred of human decency in them.
3. Interesting that the "writer" of this piece mentions the hair-sniffing incidents, but not Tara Reade. Also interesting that no other women stepped forward to back up Reade's claim (unlike with Trump, Kavanaugh, and celebrity rapists like Cosby and Weinstein). I guess she was delusional and/or a con artist after all.
4. When I saw the headline, I thought this article might be about leftist purity ponies who hate Biden at least as much as they hate Trump -- they're still out there. Somewhat OT: this past week, a guy tweeted about losing faith in Bernie Sanders after he -- you'd better sit down for this, it's a shocker -- started a Twitter thread pointing out that Trump is a racist, sexist, homophobe, etc. The guy claimed that most of Sanders' criticisms applied to Biden too (debatable) and that Sanders should have tweeted about "policy" instead (Dude! At this late date, what more do you need to know?) If you're a leftist who resents Sanders reminding everyone what a shitheel Trump is, you're either a bot or too much of a fuckup to be taken seriously.
I caught a few random moments of NPR's "1A" last Tuesday. It was another round-table of journos talking about how they "got it so wrong in '16." One of them said that a positive result of the debacle is that the press now pays more attention to real Americans in the heartland. Specifically, the White Working Class. Neither the host or anyone on the panel put their head on the desk and screamed.
“Sure that Dahmer boy ate people and kept a head in his fridge, but I couldn’t stand having [ fill in the blank] living next door.”
Meanwhile, let’s never forget that everyone who voted for Trump last time and will vote for him in November is, by my Transitive Law of Voting* that I made up four years ago, just as racist, sexist, homophobic and xenophobic as he is.
* You are what you vote for. At worst I’m a centrist horndog, at best I’m a brilliant professor.
This bit of satire is frightening because it shows exactly why Biden can well lose this after everything else. The affluent white centrists demanded someone who doesn't challenge them very much, and are terrified by melanin and vaginas -- and so will vote in indifferent numbers for Biden if his VP is too blackity -- and then vote Repub in every race where a progressive challenger has managed to come thru.
Voila! Second term. Things get much worse. And folks will still be talking about that awful Bernie Sanders
It's funny except it isn't. When Obama replaced Bush I hoped that the craziness was over.
Nah. LARGE sections of the American voting public are dumb as rocks, perverse as flashers and mean as rattlers. If President Dogshit pulls the right lever ....
Doris, let me say this to you. Americans are valiant risk-takers. Clark Gable didn't say "damn the torpedos, full speed ahead" and then sit on his hands and watch his ship sink. How can you even doubt who should get your vote? This is a chance you have to take. Sure, the future of the country might be in jeopardy. But there's doing the right thing, and then there's doing the bold, AMERICAN thing. You don't want to be in a position where you regret that you only had one life to give to your country, and you selfishly chose to keep it. Patriots aren't afraid of death, and there's only one candidate with the potential to make that happen for as many patriots as possible.
I agree with Doris. The Vice Presidential pick is very important. I need someone charismatic and engaging, like Mike Pence, or someone with a lot of experience, like Joe Biden. In fact, if the Democrats picked Biden to be in the race, I'd definitely vote for him.
"There's no way I was gonna vote for that woman." Word-for-word what my brother told me about voting for Trump (whom he disapproves of, of course). You know my people better than I do myself, Roy.
What’s Primal Scream-level frustrating is that the interviewee in your piece is the type of person the party elders and consultants continue to chase, despite their love being eternally unrequited. Yet they won’t give a crumb to anyone left of center; instead they assume they’re owed the votes of “the left” and only give those voters contempt and scorn. Hey, how about reversing that approach just once? It might be just crazy enough to work!
“Although I fully realize Trump is the Antichrist that was foretold – Jesus himself said ‘false messiahs and false prophets will appear and produce great signs and omens, to lead astray, if possible, even the elect’ – I just don’t like the cut of Biden’s jib. He drives a Corvette and I’ve always been a Mustang guy.”
--- white voter in rural Pennsylvania, interviewed in a diner (natch)
McCain says Rice as VP is a deal breaker for her, because she's never been elected to anything. Like Trump has? These people kill me, and it remains to be seen if that will be literal. A hundred sixty thousand dead, at least a quarter million by the election, and these fuckers are worried Biden is somehow going to manage to slip through forced re-education farms or some fucking thing. Obama barely got healthcare, to which we still have a highly disputed right and an impractical access, and these sociopaths are worried their taxes might go up, because Biden's definitely going to accomplish that, he's surely popular enough to change our national song to The Internationale. Really? What planet are these people on? Biden's likely to agree to cuts in Social Security. I'm somehow not concerned about mandatory gay abortions.
You write this as snark, but I can tell you that I have met and know far too many people who say they WILL sit out the election if Biden picks [fill in name of woman]. Most of these people are dyed-in-the-wool liberals I've known for years--and a distressingly high number of them are women. (During the primaries, I heard many women saying how eager they were to vote for a woman for president--just not THAT woman, whomever that woman happened to be a the moment.)
So I fear we may be doomed by the stupid, the misogyny, and the racism that cuts across Party lines. It's not just Rightwingers who detest Trump but won't vote for Biden. I see too many liberals and Leftys grasping for reasons to not vote for Biden. And I despair.
Spot-on, Roy. My friend's father—fairly comfortable, white, 70s, small town Indiana, Viet Nam vet, no college. This man absolutely hates Don. Detests him. And he's rightly terrified of Covid 19, for himself and his adult children. He generally agrees there's been grotesque mismanagement (no management) to control the spread of the virus. But there's just no way in hell he will vote for a Democrat. His issues tend to be flag-burning and kneeling at the national anthem and shit like that. Fox News has him by the brainstem.
There are millions of these people. Don himself isn't the core problem, not by a long shot. It's the right wing media and the money behind the GOP in general that is the real issue. Don will be quickly and gladly forgotten by most of these folks. True-blooded MAGAts are the minority.
Another good one, Roy. Comments:
1. S.E Cupp was part of the problem when chose wrote in a candidate in 2016, and she hasn't learned anything since. "Yes, Trump is a Nazi, but if Biden chooses Susan Rice I'm out of here" -- this is her breaking point? Reading the article, I couldn't help but think that Cupp was offering herself for the job.
2. I admit, I'd be much happier with Kamala Harris than Susan Rice. However, Biden's choice isn't a dealbreaker for me, or (I hope) anyone else with a shred of human decency in them.
3. Interesting that the "writer" of this piece mentions the hair-sniffing incidents, but not Tara Reade. Also interesting that no other women stepped forward to back up Reade's claim (unlike with Trump, Kavanaugh, and celebrity rapists like Cosby and Weinstein). I guess she was delusional and/or a con artist after all.
4. When I saw the headline, I thought this article might be about leftist purity ponies who hate Biden at least as much as they hate Trump -- they're still out there. Somewhat OT: this past week, a guy tweeted about losing faith in Bernie Sanders after he -- you'd better sit down for this, it's a shocker -- started a Twitter thread pointing out that Trump is a racist, sexist, homophobe, etc. The guy claimed that most of Sanders' criticisms applied to Biden too (debatable) and that Sanders should have tweeted about "policy" instead (Dude! At this late date, what more do you need to know?) If you're a leftist who resents Sanders reminding everyone what a shitheel Trump is, you're either a bot or too much of a fuckup to be taken seriously.
Yo, Doris; fuck your feelings.
I caught a few random moments of NPR's "1A" last Tuesday. It was another round-table of journos talking about how they "got it so wrong in '16." One of them said that a positive result of the debacle is that the press now pays more attention to real Americans in the heartland. Specifically, the White Working Class. Neither the host or anyone on the panel put their head on the desk and screamed.
I swear, it's a fucking drinking game now.
“Sure that Dahmer boy ate people and kept a head in his fridge, but I couldn’t stand having [ fill in the blank] living next door.”
Meanwhile, let’s never forget that everyone who voted for Trump last time and will vote for him in November is, by my Transitive Law of Voting* that I made up four years ago, just as racist, sexist, homophobic and xenophobic as he is.
* You are what you vote for. At worst I’m a centrist horndog, at best I’m a brilliant professor.
OMG. I didn’t realize the Zoom calls with my bridge group were being recorded.
This bit of satire is frightening because it shows exactly why Biden can well lose this after everything else. The affluent white centrists demanded someone who doesn't challenge them very much, and are terrified by melanin and vaginas -- and so will vote in indifferent numbers for Biden if his VP is too blackity -- and then vote Repub in every race where a progressive challenger has managed to come thru.
Voila! Second term. Things get much worse. And folks will still be talking about that awful Bernie Sanders
Too real to be funny. Maybe that's the point, but I could do with a little less reality, thank you.
It's funny except it isn't. When Obama replaced Bush I hoped that the craziness was over.
Nah. LARGE sections of the American voting public are dumb as rocks, perverse as flashers and mean as rattlers. If President Dogshit pulls the right lever ....
Doris, let me say this to you. Americans are valiant risk-takers. Clark Gable didn't say "damn the torpedos, full speed ahead" and then sit on his hands and watch his ship sink. How can you even doubt who should get your vote? This is a chance you have to take. Sure, the future of the country might be in jeopardy. But there's doing the right thing, and then there's doing the bold, AMERICAN thing. You don't want to be in a position where you regret that you only had one life to give to your country, and you selfishly chose to keep it. Patriots aren't afraid of death, and there's only one candidate with the potential to make that happen for as many patriots as possible.
Besides, he would never hurt God. Never, ever.
I agree with Doris. The Vice Presidential pick is very important. I need someone charismatic and engaging, like Mike Pence, or someone with a lot of experience, like Joe Biden. In fact, if the Democrats picked Biden to be in the race, I'd definitely vote for him.
"There's no way I was gonna vote for that woman." Word-for-word what my brother told me about voting for Trump (whom he disapproves of, of course). You know my people better than I do myself, Roy.
Nailed it, Roy.
What’s Primal Scream-level frustrating is that the interviewee in your piece is the type of person the party elders and consultants continue to chase, despite their love being eternally unrequited. Yet they won’t give a crumb to anyone left of center; instead they assume they’re owed the votes of “the left” and only give those voters contempt and scorn. Hey, how about reversing that approach just once? It might be just crazy enough to work!