As I've observed elsewhere, one of the hallmarks of a stone racist is their presumed expertise on the race in question even when they actually don't know anyone from that race. This presumption applies both individually (as in knowing exactly what MLK was all about and why they should condemn him) and collectively (as in welfare queens driving Cadillacs).
Lincoln was as racist as his political opponents but unlike modern Republicans, his views actually evolved during the war. Not that he wouldn’t feel at home with the present party: “Negroes make good soldiers, but they aren’t the same as white people” is about as far as he got before Booth decided to overturn his election.
Meeting that guy Frederick Douglass, who we're hearing more and more about these days, was a genuine BFD for Lincoln. He really did evolve.
And MLK opposing LGBTQ+? He would have evolved, no doubt about it. I expect it would have been uncomfortable for him, but he was not a person who ran away from discomfort, was he.
I like how it's MLK that turned all those Black Republicans into Democrats. I wonder, was the Republican party doing anything at the time that might explain this shift?
"[A]nd one of Crowder’s white sidekicks goes, 'Look, I get it, there was so much injustice, I have no idea how I would feel, but I probably wouldn’t burn down or rob a local store owned by other black people in my community.' You don’t say."
My earliest memory is of the smell of smoke. I was not quite three when MLK was murdered, and the smoke was because the West Side of Chicago (we lived on the South Side) was on fire from the immediate aftermath. Days of "shoot to kill" and all that.
The dudes who get upset about minor grievances and soon thereafter occupy federal buildings (from Cliven Bundy through January 6) or plot to kidnap/murder government officials are trying to lecture others about proper behavior. Interesting.
White people will never know the thrill of having store security follow you from the moment you enter until you pay for your purchase and leave.
White people will never know how exciting it is to get pulled over at random and have the cop approach your door with his hand on his gun.
White people don't get the special treatment of having your credentials questioned because EVERY Black professional is nothing more than an affirmative-action rubber-stamp recipient.
Yeah. And what never seems to creep into their consciousness about affirmative action and suchlike is the historical truth that back in the days when only white men got all the (paying) jobs, at least half of them were totally incompetent and unequal to the task – the ONLY reason they drew a paycheck was because of their complexion. And further, they NEVER get the point that it was the enslaved people who did almost ALL the work back then – the important construction, agriculture and even a good part of the manufacturing, that built the nation. So for most any then commonly-utilized gage of competence, black people were superior.
"... the ONLY reason they drew a paycheck was because of their complexion." That and the fact that they knew a guy who knew a guy who was looking for someone with the right complexion. Affirmative action and legacy hiring for me, but not for thee.
Ha! But they didn't burn down the Capitol, like BLM did to all American cities, so it's no big deal and besides it was Antifa and the FBI anyway but it was just like 1776.
"Oh, You Like Margaret Sanger Well SHE WAS A BIG RACIST"
I seem to recall hearing Ben Shapiro use that line on Bill Maher. It was a few years back, before he had the monobrow split with laser surgery. I remember it looked like a giant caterpillar was eating his head.
I am hearting this only because I like the tone of your statement, NOT because I know who Ben Shapiro is...because I don't. Does any of that make sense? It's early, and I'm not sufficiently coffee'd up.
You mean in, like, a real headache way? Or in the "Not now, I got a headache" way? 'Cause I don't wanna misuse your reasoning when the snit hits the fan...
I like to think the Pool Boy has a standing Wednesday appointment and Ben ( I always want write that "benny")always comes home in the evening and finds his wife listening to Cardi B.
No explanation for why you would support free access to birth control except that you must absolutely worship Margaret Sanger, and once I point out she was BAD, your support for a position you've held your whole life will collapse like a wet paper bag. That's some first-class strategizin' there.
Okay, that makes sense. I apparently have never watched a dude wank while holding a magazine. Or anyone else. Usually when I was in the room, my goal was to distract them from the magazine.
I seem to have made a study of the NY Post's annual MLK day editorials, which is easy because they've been virtually identical for the past few years. Lately it always includes this bit:
"Yes, in the decades since his death, scholars have found that he had his flaws and frailties. To err is human.
Then, too, we nowadays largely idealize his crusade — forgetting the issues that made him even more controversial: his opposition to militarism; his denunciation of America as "the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today"; his warning that the greatest threat to black progress was "the white moderate who is more devoted to 'order' than to racial justice."
I guess one person's "controversial flaw" is another person's "right on, Reverend, right on."
That's been a guiding principle for the right since the rise of the conservative media decades ago. Then again, since facts and reality have a liberal bias, sort of leaves them with bullshit and the insensible.
related to that, I love Crowder's line: "You probably didn't know this". Sure, because he just pulled out of his ass so sure, who'd've known til he told us?
That's been a guiding principle for the right since the rise of the conservative media decades ago. Then again, since facts and reality have a liberal bias, sort of leaves them with bullshit and the insensible."
I have a very vague recollection that the CSA was something of what can be called a proto-fascist state. Losing the military action had no effect on the sensibility so to speak behind that. So sure, one party rule — the White Party — makes sense. Then before Tricky Dick’s Southern Strategy, there were the Dixiecrats — the OG DINOs. Too, my also vague recollection is that the Reaganites from whom I got a whiff of love of fascism were southerners. Lee Atwater comes to mind, but my mind being what it is…
Everything shitty about this nation is covered with the fingerprints of conservatives which include, of course, Southern honkies.
After the CSA, and before the Dixiecrats, there were the Redeemers, who destroyed Reconstruction, then rewrote state constitutions to ensure Weisspartei dominance at all levels.
The 1980 Neshoba County Fair was the sequel to the 1861 inauguration of Jeff Davis (spit) in Montgomery: "The man and the hour are met."
Not making sense is a deliberate strategy, they know if infuriates and confounds their opponents, that's the reaction they're going for: Gobsmacked silence, which looks like a "win" for them.
Also, I think it's a key feature of Fascist thinking that the Leader must dominate EVERYTHING, including all facts, any need for consistency, and reality itself. Deliberately not making sense is a power move.
I think not making sense is just pandering. That part of the base it’s directed to knows nothing, wants to know nothing, and just wants to hear conservative media bullshit echoed by politicians. That the mainstream media have woefully insufficient credibility doesn’t help. Ditto Democrat pols who also evade the truth in their own pandering to their base.
If your audience wants to hear that Covid is a Chinese-engineered bioweapon, then you give 'em that. And if they want to hear that Covid is nothing worse than the common cold, you give 'em that. So sure, it's pandering. But it's also an exercise of power: "I can say two completely contradictory statements five minutes apart and nobody in this crowd or my audience will call me on it, that's what a Big Man I am." I mean, if you restrict yourself to saying only sensible things, then how do you know why people are following you? Maybe it's just because the things you say are sensible, how can you know how many true worshippers you have? Saying crazy shit is a loyalty test. And for the followers, it's a joke they can tell themselves they're in on.
I barely looked at Twitter yesterday because of the rancid MLK stuff. Seems doom scrolling is bad for my blood pressure. Who'd a thunk it! Anyway, just for the grins you might Google Sam Seder and big moist boi Stevie Crowder, they've had a couple of fun interactions. 😉
I know it’s stupid to point out the giant redwood mote in the eyes of the very same people who wail on about how MLK was a skirt chaser and a poor student when their godhead is Donald Trump, who doesn’t have a single commendable human trait to balance against his “human frailties”. Not a one! But holy shit it gets on my last nerve.
And that's EXACTLY why Crank includes that caveat "But our national heroes are often flawed men." As if King's infidelity makes him Trump's equivalent in terms of being a "flawed hero."
That construction of Baseball Cranks's is really a head-shaker - “Perhaps some progressives and Democratic politicians truly believe that John C. Calhoun was right about the American Founding, and that both Dr. King and Lincoln were wrong” - since it totally ignores pretty much ALL of King's statements about the founding and the Constitution, i.e., "Ever since the birth of our nation, White America has had a Schizophrenic personality on the question of race, she has been torn between selves. A self in which she proudly professes the great principle of democracy and a self in which she madly practices the antithesis of democracy," or "...for the good of America, it is necessary to refute the idea that the dominant ideology in our country, even today, is freedom and equality and that racism is just an occasional departure from the norm on the part of a few bigoted extremists."
But at least he acknowledges that King was a leftist, which is always ignored in these right-wing encomiums to someone they would have hated while he was alive and whose positions they all hate now that he's safely dead, and unable to rally the masses any longer.
My favorite attempt to claim King as a conservative Republican has to be this one, though:
Baseball Crank spent a lot of words to say "I hate n*****s" on MLK Day. Because he's trying to find a "moral equivalent" for MLK and John C. Calhoun. Calhoun, who was born and died a slaveholder, willed slaves to his children (one of whom married the founder of Clemson University), and believed black people to be inferior, would have seized the nearest whip rather than consider "equality."
Reminds me of the story of the right-wing organization that paid to put up billboards all over the south back in the '60's, a picture of King at a meeting, the signs said: "Martin Luther King at Communist Party Meeting". The story is that a young black man sees the sign and says, "That's the stupidest recruiting poster I've ever seen, they don't even give you a phone number."
"It doesn’t have to make sense, because God knows Crowder’s fans don’t expect that."
Damn straight.
Myself, I expect the politicians I support to make at least some sense, but that's because I see some connection between politics and reality. You need health care, you organize politically to get it, and any politician you're counting on for that had damn well better make some sense, had better stay at least somewhat tethered to the real world.
But what if, for you, politics is really all just for the Lulz? Total irrationality is an advantage then, you get to enjoy the gobsmacked silence it produces in your opponents, and that looks like a win to you.
It's like Trump at his Arizona rally complaining that "White people get sent to the back of the line" for the vaccine and his crowd reacts with spittle-flecked outrage, of course. Yes, that's the same vaccine that they believe will kill you, HOW DARE THEY DENY US THAT! No, don't try to figure it out.
As I've observed elsewhere, one of the hallmarks of a stone racist is their presumed expertise on the race in question even when they actually don't know anyone from that race. This presumption applies both individually (as in knowing exactly what MLK was all about and why they should condemn him) and collectively (as in welfare queens driving Cadillacs).
“And also, did you know that Democrats were the party of slavery? It’s true! Just watch the movie Lincoln!”
This horseshit gets recycled, repackaged, stripped down, and buffed up, but it never, ever changes.
Lincoln was as racist as his political opponents but unlike modern Republicans, his views actually evolved during the war. Not that he wouldn’t feel at home with the present party: “Negroes make good soldiers, but they aren’t the same as white people” is about as far as he got before Booth decided to overturn his election.
Meeting that guy Frederick Douglass, who we're hearing more and more about these days, was a genuine BFD for Lincoln. He really did evolve.
And MLK opposing LGBTQ+? He would have evolved, no doubt about it. I expect it would have been uncomfortable for him, but he was not a person who ran away from discomfort, was he.
I like how it's MLK that turned all those Black Republicans into Democrats. I wonder, was the Republican party doing anything at the time that might explain this shift?
"[A]nd one of Crowder’s white sidekicks goes, 'Look, I get it, there was so much injustice, I have no idea how I would feel, but I probably wouldn’t burn down or rob a local store owned by other black people in my community.' You don’t say."
My earliest memory is of the smell of smoke. I was not quite three when MLK was murdered, and the smoke was because the West Side of Chicago (we lived on the South Side) was on fire from the immediate aftermath. Days of "shoot to kill" and all that.
All of that to say this fucker has *no* idea.
The dudes who get upset about minor grievances and soon thereafter occupy federal buildings (from Cliven Bundy through January 6) or plot to kidnap/murder government officials are trying to lecture others about proper behavior. Interesting.
Watch Whiteness Work
Watch white wonks wank!
Most White people have no idea.
White people will never know the thrill of having store security follow you from the moment you enter until you pay for your purchase and leave.
White people will never know how exciting it is to get pulled over at random and have the cop approach your door with his hand on his gun.
White people don't get the special treatment of having your credentials questioned because EVERY Black professional is nothing more than an affirmative-action rubber-stamp recipient.
Yeah. And what never seems to creep into their consciousness about affirmative action and suchlike is the historical truth that back in the days when only white men got all the (paying) jobs, at least half of them were totally incompetent and unequal to the task – the ONLY reason they drew a paycheck was because of their complexion. And further, they NEVER get the point that it was the enslaved people who did almost ALL the work back then – the important construction, agriculture and even a good part of the manufacturing, that built the nation. So for most any then commonly-utilized gage of competence, black people were superior.
Low bar, I know...
"... the ONLY reason they drew a paycheck was because of their complexion." That and the fact that they knew a guy who knew a guy who was looking for someone with the right complexion. Affirmative action and legacy hiring for me, but not for thee.
If you're a cop because your dad and your uncles and your grandfather were cops, no other explanation for that than just plain genetic superiority.
(Slaves built the White House, and when Michelle Obama mentioned this she was denounced as un-American.)
"My hypothetical outrage at the hypothetical experience of racism wouldn't be great enough to burn down a hypothetical Walgreens."
Correct. You may proceed to attack the capitol.
Ha! But they didn't burn down the Capitol, like BLM did to all American cities, so it's no big deal and besides it was Antifa and the FBI anyway but it was just like 1776.
A rich nugget from Kuhner: that the Democratic party is somehow "anti-war."
Someone should have pointed that out to Bill Clinton.
"Oh, You Like Margaret Sanger Well SHE WAS A BIG RACIST"
I seem to recall hearing Ben Shapiro use that line on Bill Maher. It was a few years back, before he had the monobrow split with laser surgery. I remember it looked like a giant caterpillar was eating his head.
Ben Shapiro IS birth control
I am hearting this only because I like the tone of your statement, NOT because I know who Ben Shapiro is...because I don't. Does any of that make sense? It's early, and I'm not sufficiently coffee'd up.
You are better off not knowing.
Oh good. One less thing to dullen my day.
I don’t know about his contraceptive impact, but every time he argues with someone, his master class in fallacious reasoning makes my brain hurt.
Hey Doc -
You mean in, like, a real headache way? Or in the "Not now, I got a headache" way? 'Cause I don't wanna misuse your reasoning when the snit hits the fan...
He does have a gift for making extinction of our species seem more palatable.
Touché!
Ben Shapiro: If Abstinence Was A Person
I like to think the Pool Boy has a standing Wednesday appointment and Ben ( I always want write that "benny")always comes home in the evening and finds his wife listening to Cardi B.
No explanation for why you would support free access to birth control except that you must absolutely worship Margaret Sanger, and once I point out she was BAD, your support for a position you've held your whole life will collapse like a wet paper bag. That's some first-class strategizin' there.
Hey, we pointed out Robert E Lee was a racist traitor, they point out all the shit J Edgar Hoover uncovered about King by tapping his phone.
"spelunk the whole parfait"
Oh, how many times and ways I'm gonna apply that one!
Remember how I was talking about "catechresis" the other day & how it can be amazing in the right hands?
Yeah, exhibit A. <chef's kiss>
(from Greek κατάχρησις, "abuse")
I assume when you say "in the right hands" you are referring something other than 'self-abuse'. 'Cause me, I'm a lefty...
You'll have to go back a day or two in the commentary to see what I was talking about... and yes, most dudes wank with their off-hand...
I remember it. Roy keeps tossing the nuggets up there so we get to revisit...
And I endorse your offhand remarks!
Tossing up or tossing off?
Tosser!
Really? Why? I don't know enough about this, honestly.
Why the off-hand? Because of porn, I'd reckon
Okay, that makes sense. I apparently have never watched a dude wank while holding a magazine. Or anyone else. Usually when I was in the room, my goal was to distract them from the magazine.
I seem to have made a study of the NY Post's annual MLK day editorials, which is easy because they've been virtually identical for the past few years. Lately it always includes this bit:
"Yes, in the decades since his death, scholars have found that he had his flaws and frailties. To err is human.
Then, too, we nowadays largely idealize his crusade — forgetting the issues that made him even more controversial: his opposition to militarism; his denunciation of America as "the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today"; his warning that the greatest threat to black progress was "the white moderate who is more devoted to 'order' than to racial justice."
I guess one person's "controversial flaw" is another person's "right on, Reverend, right on."
If we're conveniently forgetting King was against the Vietnam war, that's protecting somebody or something, but I don't think it's King.
Those "white moderates" are today's "bothsiders" & the NYT's core demographic
"It doesn’t have to make sense..."
That's been a guiding principle for the right since the rise of the conservative media decades ago. Then again, since facts and reality have a liberal bias, sort of leaves them with bullshit and the insensible.
related to that, I love Crowder's line: "You probably didn't know this". Sure, because he just pulled out of his ass so sure, who'd've known til he told us?
Anyway. A day late, some quotes and a link:
https://whowhatwhy.org/justice/rights-liberties/mlk-jr-from-give-us-the-ballot-to-why-america-may-go-to-hell/
Manqueman58 min ago
"It doesn’t have to make sense..."
That's been a guiding principle for the right since the rise of the conservative media decades ago. Then again, since facts and reality have a liberal bias, sort of leaves them with bullshit and the insensible."
See also:
https://www.editorialboard.com/martin-luther-king-jr-would-have-understood-that-the-line-connecting-vladimir-putin-and-donald-trump-runs-through-dixie/
Go for the sorta dumb headline; stay for the searing (and slightly frightening but sorta assumed) analysis of southrenism.
I have a very vague recollection that the CSA was something of what can be called a proto-fascist state. Losing the military action had no effect on the sensibility so to speak behind that. So sure, one party rule — the White Party — makes sense. Then before Tricky Dick’s Southern Strategy, there were the Dixiecrats — the OG DINOs. Too, my also vague recollection is that the Reaganites from whom I got a whiff of love of fascism were southerners. Lee Atwater comes to mind, but my mind being what it is…
Everything shitty about this nation is covered with the fingerprints of conservatives which include, of course, Southern honkies.
After the CSA, and before the Dixiecrats, there were the Redeemers, who destroyed Reconstruction, then rewrote state constitutions to ensure Weisspartei dominance at all levels.
The 1980 Neshoba County Fair was the sequel to the 1861 inauguration of Jeff Davis (spit) in Montgomery: "The man and the hour are met."
Not making sense is a deliberate strategy, they know if infuriates and confounds their opponents, that's the reaction they're going for: Gobsmacked silence, which looks like a "win" for them.
Also, I think it's a key feature of Fascist thinking that the Leader must dominate EVERYTHING, including all facts, any need for consistency, and reality itself. Deliberately not making sense is a power move.
I think not making sense is just pandering. That part of the base it’s directed to knows nothing, wants to know nothing, and just wants to hear conservative media bullshit echoed by politicians. That the mainstream media have woefully insufficient credibility doesn’t help. Ditto Democrat pols who also evade the truth in their own pandering to their base.
If your audience wants to hear that Covid is a Chinese-engineered bioweapon, then you give 'em that. And if they want to hear that Covid is nothing worse than the common cold, you give 'em that. So sure, it's pandering. But it's also an exercise of power: "I can say two completely contradictory statements five minutes apart and nobody in this crowd or my audience will call me on it, that's what a Big Man I am." I mean, if you restrict yourself to saying only sensible things, then how do you know why people are following you? Maybe it's just because the things you say are sensible, how can you know how many true worshippers you have? Saying crazy shit is a loyalty test. And for the followers, it's a joke they can tell themselves they're in on.
The agitprop is so lockstep and pervasive it is obviously professionally produced.
It is somebody's job to write that poison , identify the potential consumer and figure out the most effective way to deliver the message.
Imagine recruiting for that position.
Wanted: Racist-must be fluent with InDesign and excel.
“P.S. No fat chicks.”
Or maybe "ExDesign and Incel"
I barely looked at Twitter yesterday because of the rancid MLK stuff. Seems doom scrolling is bad for my blood pressure. Who'd a thunk it! Anyway, just for the grins you might Google Sam Seder and big moist boi Stevie Crowder, they've had a couple of fun interactions. 😉
"big moist boi" -- never seen this chudwink b4 & lol you r so right. It's like he's been buried in a peat bog & then washed off with bilge water.
More like Steven Chowder
I know it’s stupid to point out the giant redwood mote in the eyes of the very same people who wail on about how MLK was a skirt chaser and a poor student when their godhead is Donald Trump, who doesn’t have a single commendable human trait to balance against his “human frailties”. Not a one! But holy shit it gets on my last nerve.
And that's EXACTLY why Crank includes that caveat "But our national heroes are often flawed men." As if King's infidelity makes him Trump's equivalent in terms of being a "flawed hero."
That construction of Baseball Cranks's is really a head-shaker - “Perhaps some progressives and Democratic politicians truly believe that John C. Calhoun was right about the American Founding, and that both Dr. King and Lincoln were wrong” - since it totally ignores pretty much ALL of King's statements about the founding and the Constitution, i.e., "Ever since the birth of our nation, White America has had a Schizophrenic personality on the question of race, she has been torn between selves. A self in which she proudly professes the great principle of democracy and a self in which she madly practices the antithesis of democracy," or "...for the good of America, it is necessary to refute the idea that the dominant ideology in our country, even today, is freedom and equality and that racism is just an occasional departure from the norm on the part of a few bigoted extremists."
But at least he acknowledges that King was a leftist, which is always ignored in these right-wing encomiums to someone they would have hated while he was alive and whose positions they all hate now that he's safely dead, and unable to rally the masses any longer.
My favorite attempt to claim King as a conservative Republican has to be this one, though:
https://twitter.com/michaelgwaltz/status/1483154845364367366?s=20
That last line just SCREAMS for a response.
Baseball Crank spent a lot of words to say "I hate n*****s" on MLK Day. Because he's trying to find a "moral equivalent" for MLK and John C. Calhoun. Calhoun, who was born and died a slaveholder, willed slaves to his children (one of whom married the founder of Clemson University), and believed black people to be inferior, would have seized the nearest whip rather than consider "equality."
I wish they'd do more with the "King was a leftist", us leftists could use the publicity.
Reminds me of the story of the right-wing organization that paid to put up billboards all over the south back in the '60's, a picture of King at a meeting, the signs said: "Martin Luther King at Communist Party Meeting". The story is that a young black man sees the sign and says, "That's the stupidest recruiting poster I've ever seen, they don't even give you a phone number."
And you know what else? THEIR CHARACTER SUCKS!
Yes, but pointing that out is cANceL CuLTuRe, dont'cha know...
"It doesn’t have to make sense, because God knows Crowder’s fans don’t expect that."
Damn straight.
Myself, I expect the politicians I support to make at least some sense, but that's because I see some connection between politics and reality. You need health care, you organize politically to get it, and any politician you're counting on for that had damn well better make some sense, had better stay at least somewhat tethered to the real world.
But what if, for you, politics is really all just for the Lulz? Total irrationality is an advantage then, you get to enjoy the gobsmacked silence it produces in your opponents, and that looks like a win to you.
It's like Trump at his Arizona rally complaining that "White people get sent to the back of the line" for the vaccine and his crowd reacts with spittle-flecked outrage, of course. Yes, that's the same vaccine that they believe will kill you, HOW DARE THEY DENY US THAT! No, don't try to figure it out.
Probably takes steroids to make those big muscles and he's always got a gun in a holster under his arm, such a tough guy.