“Seek a quick fix or a shortcut that would save liberals the trouble of winning.” Oh man, talk about every accusation a confession! This one should be framed. Coming from the same conservatives who continue to bring you ever herculean effort imaginable to disenfranchise what people they can, and make voting as laborious and time-consuming as possible for the people they can’t, this accusation is jaw-dropping. So of course the NYT fell for it. I guess Christopher Rufo was too busy with Christmas plans to write something, so they commissioned Moyn instead.
And as if the ridiculous argument liberals are trying to disenfranchise people wasn’t enough, Moyn adds in a healthy helping of “Look what you’re trying to make us do. Don’t make us angry, you know you don’t like us when we’re angry.” Talk about empty threats -- bitch, we don’t like you NOW.
Excellent essay, Roy, but even Cratchit got Christmas off, so go drink some eggnog (and rue that it isn’t from Purity which is the absolute best I’ve ever tasted, with or without the rum) and forget about us.
Those lying assholes. They say that like there hasn't been a concerted movement to remove Joe Biden. Or Obama. Or Bill Clinton. The one to remove Jimmy Carter was successful, defeating the closest thing to a decent human being to serve as POTUS during the 20th Century.
Meanwhile Junior Bush is considered some kind of senior statesman and his war criminal daddy is equally revered. And don't even get me started on that drooling imbecile Reagan and the way that SOB is worshipped as a god by inbred hillbillies.
May Santa take a giant dump down their chimneys. Bah, humbug.
That Colorado decision (which will have no actual effect because the stay will be continuing past the deadline for printing the ballots)! It’s bring people over the political spectrum!
RWNJs opposite of course. Libs oppose because they’re brave enough to endorse it. Lefties because they’re at a point where decades of losses with no sign of any sort of victory has given them something like cognitive decline. (That last is like their support for fascist Putin’s unjustifiable invasion of Ukraine because the latter is actually led by Nazis or something.)
But they’re all aligned saying that fPOTUS is in fact above and shouldn’t be held accountable.
This guy Moyn is simply weird. In this Times piece he says liberals (rather than conservative Fukayama who literally wrote the book) were proclaiming the "End of History"
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I rise to take issue with Roy.
[dismayed gasps before hush falls upon the assembly]
eBoogalu2, if so deployed via less than anonymity (OFFS! UNANIMITY!) on Queensman's behalf, would not attempt to breach the Capitol again – Il Corto di Tutti Corti would be the locale next time.
“Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution’s Fourteenth Amendment has conservatives (and milquetoasts like Jonathan Chait) in a froth — and also in a dilemma.”
Roy, definitely one of your best. And I noticed the conservatives pining for a 9-0 decision as well (unity). Although, I didn’t come to the same conclusions, you did. I just shrugged it off as wishful thinking by a bunch of deranged bobble heads. Nicely done.
That said, I do take issue with one part of your newsletter. Last week, you suggested I was the incarnate of Jonathan Chait! Seriously? You think of me as milquetoast? I am truly feeble minded in your opinion?....:)
Anyway, I wish you all the best during this joyous holiday season....peace out!...:)
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Sure, I'd much prefer to kick his ass but good in a free n' fair election (do we still have those? How quaint!) Better for the country that Trump and Trumpism be soundly rejected by the voters, the people who should really matter.
But what can I say? He did what he did, and the law is what it is. I didn't bring the damn suit (as others have noted, Republicans did) and I'm not staying up nights anxiously tracking its progress through the courts. And I have a sneaking suspicion that Ol' Joe Biden isn't either, he knows Trump will be the Republican nominee, and will be on the ballot, and will need to be defeated by 7 million or so votes just to overcome that gift of the motherfucking founders called the motherfucking Electoral College.
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Help me out here, Mr. Moyn: OK, liberal justices should join with the bought-by-billionaires caucus and overturn the Colorado decision. What should they write in the opinion? (I mean, you are a law prof, right?) That Donald Trump did not engage in insurrection*? That he did, but there should be Donald-Trump-sized hole in the 14th amendment? Maybe something like "The law applies equally to all, excepting anyone with 40-point lead in the Iowa Caucus"?
*It's worth noting that the Colorado decision was 4-3, but there was no disagreement among the seven justices that Trump had committed insurrection. But knock yourself, out Mr. Yale Law, tell me how he didn't.
It's not at all surprising, amidst of all the blather about liberal motives, liberal attacks on democracy (!), scary rightwing backlash, etc., that the issue which gets short shrift or is ignored altogether is simple: did he do it? If addressed at all it's usually fudged as "Well, it's contested, so, who knows?" It's as if Trump really did shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and the main concern was that arresting him would appear too political and have consequences for our democracy. I don't expect the Supreme Court to uphold the decision, and I'm not even sure if it's a good idea just because of all this knee-jerk running on about it. But you'd think they'd spend a wee bit more time on the fact that the reason the 14th Amendment fits is because Trump is guilty as hell.
It should be noted that the Colorado case was brought by Republican candidates for President, not Democrats
Also, Merry Christmas all you REBIDders. I am out until Wednesday
I'd like to punch that Moyn character in the dick. That's about where I am anymore. Not exactly erudite, I know , but honest and sincere.
Thanks for the extra effort!
Merry Christmas!
“Seek a quick fix or a shortcut that would save liberals the trouble of winning.” Oh man, talk about every accusation a confession! This one should be framed. Coming from the same conservatives who continue to bring you ever herculean effort imaginable to disenfranchise what people they can, and make voting as laborious and time-consuming as possible for the people they can’t, this accusation is jaw-dropping. So of course the NYT fell for it. I guess Christopher Rufo was too busy with Christmas plans to write something, so they commissioned Moyn instead.
And as if the ridiculous argument liberals are trying to disenfranchise people wasn’t enough, Moyn adds in a healthy helping of “Look what you’re trying to make us do. Don’t make us angry, you know you don’t like us when we’re angry.” Talk about empty threats -- bitch, we don’t like you NOW.
“It was handed down 8-0 [in U.S. v. Nixon], with one recusal. In our moment, the Supreme Court must do the same.”
So we’re Nixon, and Donald Trump is the United States of America. Good thing this guy’s a liberal who didn’t want Trump elected!
Excellent essay, Roy, but even Cratchit got Christmas off, so go drink some eggnog (and rue that it isn’t from Purity which is the absolute best I’ve ever tasted, with or without the rum) and forget about us.
"Concerted . . . movement to remove"
Those lying assholes. They say that like there hasn't been a concerted movement to remove Joe Biden. Or Obama. Or Bill Clinton. The one to remove Jimmy Carter was successful, defeating the closest thing to a decent human being to serve as POTUS during the 20th Century.
Meanwhile Junior Bush is considered some kind of senior statesman and his war criminal daddy is equally revered. And don't even get me started on that drooling imbecile Reagan and the way that SOB is worshipped as a god by inbred hillbillies.
May Santa take a giant dump down their chimneys. Bah, humbug.
That Colorado decision (which will have no actual effect because the stay will be continuing past the deadline for printing the ballots)! It’s bring people over the political spectrum!
RWNJs opposite of course. Libs oppose because they’re brave enough to endorse it. Lefties because they’re at a point where decades of losses with no sign of any sort of victory has given them something like cognitive decline. (That last is like their support for fascist Putin’s unjustifiable invasion of Ukraine because the latter is actually led by Nazis or something.)
But they’re all aligned saying that fPOTUS is in fact above and shouldn’t be held accountable.
Great times...
Happy holidays y’all!
Thanks for giving me someone new to despise, Roy! Merry Christmas to you and yours.
This guy Moyn is simply weird. In this Times piece he says liberals (rather than conservative Fukayama who literally wrote the book) were proclaiming the "End of History"
I rise to take issue with Roy.
[dismayed gasps before hush falls upon the assembly]
eBoogalu2, if so deployed via less than anonymity (OFFS! UNANIMITY!) on Queensman's behalf, would not attempt to breach the Capitol again – Il Corto di Tutti Corti would be the locale next time.
So there's that.
My alma mater needs a mea culpa. ‘Course Moyn’s in the law school which another universe. I miss Ron Dworkin.
“Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution’s Fourteenth Amendment has conservatives (and milquetoasts like Jonathan Chait) in a froth — and also in a dilemma.”
Roy, definitely one of your best. And I noticed the conservatives pining for a 9-0 decision as well (unity). Although, I didn’t come to the same conclusions, you did. I just shrugged it off as wishful thinking by a bunch of deranged bobble heads. Nicely done.
That said, I do take issue with one part of your newsletter. Last week, you suggested I was the incarnate of Jonathan Chait! Seriously? You think of me as milquetoast? I am truly feeble minded in your opinion?....:)
Anyway, I wish you all the best during this joyous holiday season....peace out!...:)
Sure, I'd much prefer to kick his ass but good in a free n' fair election (do we still have those? How quaint!) Better for the country that Trump and Trumpism be soundly rejected by the voters, the people who should really matter.
But what can I say? He did what he did, and the law is what it is. I didn't bring the damn suit (as others have noted, Republicans did) and I'm not staying up nights anxiously tracking its progress through the courts. And I have a sneaking suspicion that Ol' Joe Biden isn't either, he knows Trump will be the Republican nominee, and will be on the ballot, and will need to be defeated by 7 million or so votes just to overcome that gift of the motherfucking founders called the motherfucking Electoral College.
Help me out here, Mr. Moyn: OK, liberal justices should join with the bought-by-billionaires caucus and overturn the Colorado decision. What should they write in the opinion? (I mean, you are a law prof, right?) That Donald Trump did not engage in insurrection*? That he did, but there should be Donald-Trump-sized hole in the 14th amendment? Maybe something like "The law applies equally to all, excepting anyone with 40-point lead in the Iowa Caucus"?
*It's worth noting that the Colorado decision was 4-3, but there was no disagreement among the seven justices that Trump had committed insurrection. But knock yourself, out Mr. Yale Law, tell me how he didn't.
Republicans: "What's this? Actual CONSEQUENCES for criminal behavior?"
Me: https://youtu.be/kYdQuuLzg2A?t=50
It's not at all surprising, amidst of all the blather about liberal motives, liberal attacks on democracy (!), scary rightwing backlash, etc., that the issue which gets short shrift or is ignored altogether is simple: did he do it? If addressed at all it's usually fudged as "Well, it's contested, so, who knows?" It's as if Trump really did shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and the main concern was that arresting him would appear too political and have consequences for our democracy. I don't expect the Supreme Court to uphold the decision, and I'm not even sure if it's a good idea just because of all this knee-jerk running on about it. But you'd think they'd spend a wee bit more time on the fact that the reason the 14th Amendment fits is because Trump is guilty as hell.
Merry, happy, to all.