Has she adopted the rightwing descriptor, “Judeo-Christian” yet? That’s always a dead giveaway someone’s politics trumps their religion, since Jews don't actually describe themselves that way, it’s a conservative Christian thing.
Or just a Western European-American thing. Most people never question the term, scholars still drop it without thinking. Supersession is so much a part of the Christianized world that people think it just means a "productive meeting with one's therapidt and/or personal trainer.
I always wonder about Jews (and Blacks) who cozy up to the White supremacists. Do they think that they will be spared later because they're "one of the good ones?"
This is a thing I keep trying to think through, so yay, I am going to inflict this TL/DR on y'all.
There are plenty of reasons, I'm sure, but somehow I end up thinking about the weird phenomenon of women who write to convicted, imprisoned murderers. It doesn't matter how horrific the crime, it seems that there is a cohort of women who will write to them, emote about them online, sometimes fall in love with them, now and then even marry them. (Note: because nothing human is foreign to me, I'll assume that there are men who do similar stuff.)
Why would they do that, especially since so many of the convicted men have murdered women and girls? I think sometimes a woman will believe that she is the one kind, generous person whose grace (maybe of the Christian variety) enables her to see beyond the monster to the pure soul within, so she thinks her grace will save her AND him. *The awful thing happened to them, but it can't happen to me because I am exceptional (also maybe those women were stupid, but not me).*
It's the rush she gets from a close but safe association with someone horrible. *I'm the only one who understands him, we have a special bond. Out of all the women in the world, I am the one he'd never ever hurt, because I am so special.*
Or maybe she knows he *would* hurt her, but she can get close to him for the excitement because he's in prison and cannot hurt her, kind of like poking the bear and then turning around to mug to the onlookers. *See? You might be scaredy cats, but I'm daring.*
And the women who gravitate toward violent men who are not incarcerated have a similar dynamic: *he is powerful and feared and here I am, side by side, no one else is this brave, and yes it's dangerous, even reckless, but I have proved my loyalty and earned my status as his ally. Look at me!*
I know that much of this doesn't line up exactly with the phenomenon of Jews and POC cozying up to white supremacists, but I think there is a connection. *Everyone else is afraid of these people but I am special, I am extraordinary, I can do the dangerous thing and thrive.*
Many, if not most, people want to be extraordinary. Some people are willing to venture into outrageous territory, wearing their vilification like a badge. It's all about being seen. Anything is better than being overlooked, especially if you've been overlooked your whole damn life.
Maybe there is a thrill in a more general sense. Fawn Brodie, in her biography of Richard Nixon, speculated about his need for risk and his fear and maybe his desire for punishment. She said it was like he wanted the whole world to watch him take a shit in public. Maybe in the arena he pictured so vividly.
(Also there's the $$$ you can score along the way.)
1. I knew a woman who had been a pen pal with Gary Gilmore when she was in her early teens, then was a teen bride of polygamist Alex Joseph. Finally at college she ended up as a hard-core libertarian. She was some sorts of smart and some sorts of stupid. I blame the parents.
2. I read Fawn Brodie's bio of Joseph Smith, checked out from the U of Utah library, and there was a running battle in the margins between the LDS and anti-LDS factions that was as interesting as the book.
I don't want to give the amateur evolutionary biologists any credit, and even the peer-reviewed such have their problems, but there may be some sometimes-hardwired power/sex/fear crosswiring in play, like it or not—one way in which the hippies Got It Wrong was their insistence that Love was all sweetness-and-light, which especially where Eros is concerned is _laughably_ wrong.
…leading to the conclusion that people into _obvious_ S&M games, if they're careful, are probably better thereby compared to what they'd be if they dealt with those feelings otherwise.
Someone wrote a book showing how much of a Black Nationalist Clarence Thomas may be. There's a strain of such that says that white people will _never_ be better than we are, and the only thing for black people to do is hunker-down, do for themselves, and (many, including Thomas, would say) sticking to Traditional Values of power vested in strong men, all allowing them to deal with The Whites from a position of as much power as they can get.
I think the cozying-up Jews feel that Americanism were best for Jews, the Far Right are as Anerican as you can get and not actually more anti-Semitic than most gentiles—apologies for their insult—and that Rightists will respect Jews who are Right enough. There were such in Germany:
…. I think America Rightist Jews don't believe that the full-on Nazis will dominate Reborn America, and that even Gilead would be more in line with Traditional Jewish Values than Obamanation. Maybe it would leave us alone in most ways and let our _own_ religious courts rule us with an iron hand.
Oh, also they're ruch, so they assume that Radical Propertarianism will be great for them.
In her book "Auschwitz And After", Charlotte Delbo describes being arrested as a Resistance leader in France in March of 1942. She and a group of other women resisters managed to stay together through internment in France, then deportation to Auschwitz and Ravensbrück. (There were about 230 women in the group. Most were not Jewish, but the Jewish women among them were protected as much as possible. At the end of the war, only 42 of the 230 had survived.)
Delbo observes how different her situation was compared to what so many Jews faced - transported from all over, separated by language differences, unsure even of where in Europe they'd ended up. "They expect the worst - not the unthinkable".
When you consider that - the unthinkable - you begin to understand why people would hunker down and cooperate with authorities, even align themselves with authorities, thinking that survival may be more likely than to risk being torn apart by a disorganized gang of street thugs. They endured through generations of what surely had to have been the worst, only to encounter the unthinkable.
And yeah, that assessment of Clarence Thomas makes all kind of bitter sense.
In 1916, the Imperial German Army took Warsaw. Jews had the experience of being herded together, forced to strip, and then forced into delousing centres…where they were deloused, then given their cleaned clothes and some soup. The regime was a harsh military one for the next year, but not as overtly anti-Semitic as the Imperial Russians had been.
Similarly, taking issue with someone, I wrote that the main reason '9/11 didn’t happen again' was that it had happened once, and the doctrine of acceding to serious hijackers was changed.
Incidentally, if I'm remembering Charles Glass' "Americans in Paris: Life and Death Under Occupation" correctly, after a period in which some mercy was shown, most Americans who were caught doing Resistance activities ended-up in Ravensbruck.
Ravensbrück held mostly women prisoners, although a few thousand men were interned nearby (they were used to build the gas chambers).
Once US and Germany declared war, US and UK civilians trapped in the Reich were often sent to Internierungsläger, internment camps which were unpleasant but not like the concentration camps and death camps. For one thing, inmates could get Red Cross packages.
But American civilians caught doing Resistance work? I expect many were simply executed or worked to death at Mauthausen or Sachsenhausen or some other brutal work camp.
I have read of at least one American woman who survived Ravensbrück: Gemma La Guardia Gluck, the sister of mayor Fiorello La Guardia. (Their mother was an Italian Jew.) She was kept under somewhat better conditions because the Nazis planned, but failed, to use her for a prisoner exchange.
I'm going to have to track down that Glass book, thx.
I meant to acknowledge your first paragraph. It made all kinds of sense to hunker down and hope to escape with your life. When I was a kid in junior high school, many of my classmates were Jewish and every one of their families was affected by the Holocaust. Some of their parents were survivors. Many kids had very few surviving extended family members. But we were all so young and ignorant, and a lot of information about the Holocaust was still being uncovered. A lot of the kids were angry and ashamed, not at their families specifically, but in general, because of the commonly held attitude that so many millions "went like sheep to the slaughter". Learning anything about the times quickly disabuses you of that notion.
I have so much more sympathy for people making decisions in impossible circumstances. I mean, Anne Frank's own father was a German veteran of WWII, a successful and respected business owner. He recognized early on that they were in danger. He sold the business and got his family the hell out of Germany. They just couldn't get far enough.
Sorry. I'm going on and on. I'm grateful that at least reading this is optional, and I hope Mr. Roso doesn't make this free, cause then I'd feel obsessive. Which I am, but you know...
"There is a word in Newspeak," said Syme, "I don't know whether you know it: duckspeak, to quack like a duck. It is one of those interesting words that have two contradictory meanings. Applied to an opponent, it is abuse, applied to someone you agree with, it is praise."
I'm sorry, but I nominate the prior sentence for Hall of Fame status: "With the skinhead I might be stabbed, but at least it won’t be the sort of back-stabbing one gets from the 1619 post-colonial neo-Marxist Black Lives Matter mob woke culture that I experienced in that great 41st Street pogrom called the New York Times, where wokity-woke post-modern avant-garde mobwoke canturecultcel liberals hit me with verbal anti-Semitic fists cloaked in the velvet gloves of mean girl jokes and disrespectful Slack channel discussions."
I guess it’s official now, defense of Israel has moved from defaming Mearsheimer and Walt to adopting the culture war memes of the Republican fascist party. The overwhelming self-pitying, though, is Bari special.
A friend of mine was called an anti-Semite because he disagrees with Bibi's policies toward Jerusalem and the Occupied Territories. He couldn't help but laugh in the guy's face before he just stalked away. My friend served in the IDF in the early '70s, and is probably the heaviest contributor to the local temple. Not quite orthodox, but more observant than most other Jews I know. But, yeah--disagree with Bibi and you hate the Jews.
Bari Weiss, wrapping herself in the warm, snuggly blanket of “oppression” that she uses to smother anyone who disagrees with her. At some point, don’t even her friends and coworkers get disgusted with her whiny, two-faced bullshit?
I don't drink coffee, and I have not read Tolkien since college like 40 years ago. I did vaguely remember something about Saruman breeding the Uruk-hai from orc-something hybrids, and my weird mind went to cows
"This new survey[*] (which you can read more about here) reflects the recently released FBI's Hate Crimes Statistics for 2020. The bureau says that 57.5 percent of religious-based hate crimes last year had Jews as their targets, even though Jews represent 2 percent of the population."
What she doesn't mention:
- From the FBI stats she links to, religion-based hate crimes make up only 15% of all hate crime incidents.
- Jews were targets of 8.7% of ALL hate crimes, which at least puts her "2 percent of the population" into a more appropriate context. (You'll never guess who makes up the vast majority of hate crime targets.)
- Religious-based hate crime incidents against Jews actually went down 30%, from 953 in 2019 to 676 in 2020.
At least this time she mentioned that the hate crimes in question are only the "religious-based" incidents. I read a review of her book in the Times that said "Should it call for courage for a politically liberal American Jew like Weiss to point out that Jews, though a tiny percentage of the population of the United States, are the victims of over half of its reported hate crimes?" I don't know if the reviewer made this "mistake," or the author, but you can see the problem here. Anti-semitism is a lamentable evil as it is; it doesn't need to be exaggerated.
Forgive the length, but I really don't appreciate it when writers misrepresent statistics in an attempt to deliberately manipulate the reader.
*As Roy deftly shows, the survey she links to indicates that the vast majority of anti-semitic responses comes from the right, not the left. So much for "everybody."
I sense a sly pun in the use of "polls." I am not a Pollack. But as a member of the mindless woke mob, I feel I am a kindred spirit, a fellow traveler, with the Poles. I get manic just thinking about how depressing the treatment of that nationality has been in jokes over the course of my lifetime, though I do still like a good Pollack joke. The kind the late Norm MacDonald used to tell. Yes, one extreme to another. Prost!
Yes, that's the joke. One L, oh jeez, there goes my woke status down another notch! I'm headed for pure incel loser here. But may I ask, since you seem to be an authority, is the plural Polacks or Poleaxe? I get confused with the whole Slavic thing and Latin. Is it Latins or Latinx?
Wari Beiss, Defender of the Faith.
Has she adopted the rightwing descriptor, “Judeo-Christian” yet? That’s always a dead giveaway someone’s politics trumps their religion, since Jews don't actually describe themselves that way, it’s a conservative Christian thing.
that's judeo-christian-american to you, pal!
Or just a Western European-American thing. Most people never question the term, scholars still drop it without thinking. Supersession is so much a part of the Christianized world that people think it just means a "productive meeting with one's therapidt and/or personal trainer.
I always wonder about Jews (and Blacks) who cozy up to the White supremacists. Do they think that they will be spared later because they're "one of the good ones?"
TFG says the guys with the little round hats are the only ones to be trusted in the financial sector, and who's going to serve the hanberders?
They get a better seat in the cattle car. Up near the door.
Well, it could make a big difference…but point taken.
This is a thing I keep trying to think through, so yay, I am going to inflict this TL/DR on y'all.
There are plenty of reasons, I'm sure, but somehow I end up thinking about the weird phenomenon of women who write to convicted, imprisoned murderers. It doesn't matter how horrific the crime, it seems that there is a cohort of women who will write to them, emote about them online, sometimes fall in love with them, now and then even marry them. (Note: because nothing human is foreign to me, I'll assume that there are men who do similar stuff.)
Why would they do that, especially since so many of the convicted men have murdered women and girls? I think sometimes a woman will believe that she is the one kind, generous person whose grace (maybe of the Christian variety) enables her to see beyond the monster to the pure soul within, so she thinks her grace will save her AND him. *The awful thing happened to them, but it can't happen to me because I am exceptional (also maybe those women were stupid, but not me).*
It's the rush she gets from a close but safe association with someone horrible. *I'm the only one who understands him, we have a special bond. Out of all the women in the world, I am the one he'd never ever hurt, because I am so special.*
Or maybe she knows he *would* hurt her, but she can get close to him for the excitement because he's in prison and cannot hurt her, kind of like poking the bear and then turning around to mug to the onlookers. *See? You might be scaredy cats, but I'm daring.*
And the women who gravitate toward violent men who are not incarcerated have a similar dynamic: *he is powerful and feared and here I am, side by side, no one else is this brave, and yes it's dangerous, even reckless, but I have proved my loyalty and earned my status as his ally. Look at me!*
I know that much of this doesn't line up exactly with the phenomenon of Jews and POC cozying up to white supremacists, but I think there is a connection. *Everyone else is afraid of these people but I am special, I am extraordinary, I can do the dangerous thing and thrive.*
Many, if not most, people want to be extraordinary. Some people are willing to venture into outrageous territory, wearing their vilification like a badge. It's all about being seen. Anything is better than being overlooked, especially if you've been overlooked your whole damn life.
Maybe there is a thrill in a more general sense. Fawn Brodie, in her biography of Richard Nixon, speculated about his need for risk and his fear and maybe his desire for punishment. She said it was like he wanted the whole world to watch him take a shit in public. Maybe in the arena he pictured so vividly.
(Also there's the $$$ you can score along the way.)
1. I knew a woman who had been a pen pal with Gary Gilmore when she was in her early teens, then was a teen bride of polygamist Alex Joseph. Finally at college she ended up as a hard-core libertarian. She was some sorts of smart and some sorts of stupid. I blame the parents.
2. I read Fawn Brodie's bio of Joseph Smith, checked out from the U of Utah library, and there was a running battle in the margins between the LDS and anti-LDS factions that was as interesting as the book.
3. I will close with this classic song from The Adverts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA58GjoTmes
I don't want to give the amateur evolutionary biologists any credit, and even the peer-reviewed such have their problems, but there may be some sometimes-hardwired power/sex/fear crosswiring in play, like it or not—one way in which the hippies Got It Wrong was their insistence that Love was all sweetness-and-light, which especially where Eros is concerned is _laughably_ wrong.
…leading to the conclusion that people into _obvious_ S&M games, if they're careful, are probably better thereby compared to what they'd be if they dealt with those feelings otherwise.
Someone wrote a book showing how much of a Black Nationalist Clarence Thomas may be. There's a strain of such that says that white people will _never_ be better than we are, and the only thing for black people to do is hunker-down, do for themselves, and (many, including Thomas, would say) sticking to Traditional Values of power vested in strong men, all allowing them to deal with The Whites from a position of as much power as they can get.
I think the cozying-up Jews feel that Americanism were best for Jews, the Far Right are as Anerican as you can get and not actually more anti-Semitic than most gentiles—apologies for their insult—and that Rightists will respect Jews who are Right enough. There were such in Germany:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews
…. I think America Rightist Jews don't believe that the full-on Nazis will dominate Reborn America, and that even Gilead would be more in line with Traditional Jewish Values than Obamanation. Maybe it would leave us alone in most ways and let our _own_ religious courts rule us with an iron hand.
Oh, also they're ruch, so they assume that Radical Propertarianism will be great for them.
s/Anerican/American/1
s/ruch/rich/1
Damn it.
In her book "Auschwitz And After", Charlotte Delbo describes being arrested as a Resistance leader in France in March of 1942. She and a group of other women resisters managed to stay together through internment in France, then deportation to Auschwitz and Ravensbrück. (There were about 230 women in the group. Most were not Jewish, but the Jewish women among them were protected as much as possible. At the end of the war, only 42 of the 230 had survived.)
Delbo observes how different her situation was compared to what so many Jews faced - transported from all over, separated by language differences, unsure even of where in Europe they'd ended up. "They expect the worst - not the unthinkable".
When you consider that - the unthinkable - you begin to understand why people would hunker down and cooperate with authorities, even align themselves with authorities, thinking that survival may be more likely than to risk being torn apart by a disorganized gang of street thugs. They endured through generations of what surely had to have been the worst, only to encounter the unthinkable.
And yeah, that assessment of Clarence Thomas makes all kind of bitter sense.
Yes.
In 1916, the Imperial German Army took Warsaw. Jews had the experience of being herded together, forced to strip, and then forced into delousing centres…where they were deloused, then given their cleaned clothes and some soup. The regime was a harsh military one for the next year, but not as overtly anti-Semitic as the Imperial Russians had been.
Similarly, taking issue with someone, I wrote that the main reason '9/11 didn’t happen again' was that it had happened once, and the doctrine of acceding to serious hijackers was changed.
Incidentally, if I'm remembering Charles Glass' "Americans in Paris: Life and Death Under Occupation" correctly, after a period in which some mercy was shown, most Americans who were caught doing Resistance activities ended-up in Ravensbruck.
Ravensbrück held mostly women prisoners, although a few thousand men were interned nearby (they were used to build the gas chambers).
Once US and Germany declared war, US and UK civilians trapped in the Reich were often sent to Internierungsläger, internment camps which were unpleasant but not like the concentration camps and death camps. For one thing, inmates could get Red Cross packages.
But American civilians caught doing Resistance work? I expect many were simply executed or worked to death at Mauthausen or Sachsenhausen or some other brutal work camp.
I have read of at least one American woman who survived Ravensbrück: Gemma La Guardia Gluck, the sister of mayor Fiorello La Guardia. (Their mother was an Italian Jew.) She was kept under somewhat better conditions because the Nazis planned, but failed, to use her for a prisoner exchange.
I'm going to have to track down that Glass book, thx.
I meant to acknowledge your first paragraph. It made all kinds of sense to hunker down and hope to escape with your life. When I was a kid in junior high school, many of my classmates were Jewish and every one of their families was affected by the Holocaust. Some of their parents were survivors. Many kids had very few surviving extended family members. But we were all so young and ignorant, and a lot of information about the Holocaust was still being uncovered. A lot of the kids were angry and ashamed, not at their families specifically, but in general, because of the commonly held attitude that so many millions "went like sheep to the slaughter". Learning anything about the times quickly disabuses you of that notion.
I have so much more sympathy for people making decisions in impossible circumstances. I mean, Anne Frank's own father was a German veteran of WWII, a successful and respected business owner. He recognized early on that they were in danger. He sold the business and got his family the hell out of Germany. They just couldn't get far enough.
Sorry. I'm going on and on. I'm grateful that at least reading this is optional, and I hope Mr. Roso doesn't make this free, cause then I'd feel obsessive. Which I am, but you know...
Thanks for this post (and all the other great commentators below). I now need to read Fawn Brodie!
"wokity-woke post-modern avant-garde mobwoke canturecultcel liberals..."
"There is a word in Newspeak," said Syme, "I don't know whether you know it: duckspeak, to quack like a duck. It is one of those interesting words that have two contradictory meanings. Applied to an opponent, it is abuse, applied to someone you agree with, it is praise."
“Yet I soldier on, following in the footsteps of Judith, the Maccabees, the Irgun, and David Horowitz” — it doesn’t get any better than this.
Bari Weiss thinks "Maccabees" is a TGIF-like restaurant chain
Let's do this!
David Brooks will be at the salad bar in a heartbeat.
She hopes her night out doesn't end like the actual Maccabbees did.
why?
They are a fine British band https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4xiP4gdTT4
Fancy like date night at the Maccabees
Seriously considering self-trepanation to get this fucking jingle out of my head.
I'm sorry, but I nominate the prior sentence for Hall of Fame status: "With the skinhead I might be stabbed, but at least it won’t be the sort of back-stabbing one gets from the 1619 post-colonial neo-Marxist Black Lives Matter mob woke culture that I experienced in that great 41st Street pogrom called the New York Times, where wokity-woke post-modern avant-garde mobwoke canturecultcel liberals hit me with verbal anti-Semitic fists cloaked in the velvet gloves of mean girl jokes and disrespectful Slack channel discussions."
Starts with skinhead, ends with Slack channel. It's all of early 21st century America in a nutshell.
I consider Woody Allen one of the great film makers. (Roman Polanski too. That creepy Chaplin
fella also. )
I consider Edel Weiss to be one of our worst pundits ( bad ideas- poorly written - she's a natural!)
Ach, the ancient conundrum of separating the artist from their art.
I guess it’s official now, defense of Israel has moved from defaming Mearsheimer and Walt to adopting the culture war memes of the Republican fascist party. The overwhelming self-pitying, though, is Bari special.
A friend of mine was called an anti-Semite because he disagrees with Bibi's policies toward Jerusalem and the Occupied Territories. He couldn't help but laugh in the guy's face before he just stalked away. My friend served in the IDF in the early '70s, and is probably the heaviest contributor to the local temple. Not quite orthodox, but more observant than most other Jews I know. But, yeah--disagree with Bibi and you hate the Jews.
So, again: Who gives a fuck about Bari Weiss and why does she matter? Of what importance is she?
I mean, please.
BTW, I just finished eating, but did Jew?
I thought she was some important member of the Intemellekshual Dork Web
At least we know that when it comes to choosing between the skinheads and the schvartzes, Bari Weiss will *always* choose the skinheads.
Bari Weiss, wrapping herself in the warm, snuggly blanket of “oppression” that she uses to smother anyone who disagrees with her. At some point, don’t even her friends and coworkers get disgusted with her whiny, two-faced bullshit?
Her cow-orkers at the Times certainly did.
I want to know more about this cow-orking, is it consensual, legal in some states and not others, etc. :)
I believe cow-orking is how Saruman made the Uruk-hai
Still chuckling over this remark. You must have had an extra cup of coffee or are rereading Tolkien.
I don't drink coffee, and I have not read Tolkien since college like 40 years ago. I did vaguely remember something about Saruman breeding the Uruk-hai from orc-something hybrids, and my weird mind went to cows
Back before he went full horseshoe Glem wrote a good piece on Bari and her bullshit. She's always been a shonda. https://theintercept.com/2017/08/31/nyts-newest-op-ed-hire-bari-weiss-embodies-its-worst-failings-and-its-lack-of-viewpoint-diversity/
But what would Glem say now? And who cares?
Glem and Bari are probably best buds now.
I went back and looked at that and what the hell has happened to him?
LOL - 5 guffaws!
Here's Weiss:
"This new survey[*] (which you can read more about here) reflects the recently released FBI's Hate Crimes Statistics for 2020. The bureau says that 57.5 percent of religious-based hate crimes last year had Jews as their targets, even though Jews represent 2 percent of the population."
What she doesn't mention:
- From the FBI stats she links to, religion-based hate crimes make up only 15% of all hate crime incidents.
- Jews were targets of 8.7% of ALL hate crimes, which at least puts her "2 percent of the population" into a more appropriate context. (You'll never guess who makes up the vast majority of hate crime targets.)
- Religious-based hate crime incidents against Jews actually went down 30%, from 953 in 2019 to 676 in 2020.
At least this time she mentioned that the hate crimes in question are only the "religious-based" incidents. I read a review of her book in the Times that said "Should it call for courage for a politically liberal American Jew like Weiss to point out that Jews, though a tiny percentage of the population of the United States, are the victims of over half of its reported hate crimes?" I don't know if the reviewer made this "mistake," or the author, but you can see the problem here. Anti-semitism is a lamentable evil as it is; it doesn't need to be exaggerated.
Forgive the length, but I really don't appreciate it when writers misrepresent statistics in an attempt to deliberately manipulate the reader.
*As Roy deftly shows, the survey she links to indicates that the vast majority of anti-semitic responses comes from the right, not the left. So much for "everybody."
Yes, it sure is suspicious that Jews--a definite minority population in America--would be the targets of hate crimes.
You'll never guess who makes up the vast majority of hate crime targets
White, Christian, het males?
What do I keep telling you about responding to those people with facts?
I sense a sly pun in the use of "polls." I am not a Pollack. But as a member of the mindless woke mob, I feel I am a kindred spirit, a fellow traveler, with the Poles. I get manic just thinking about how depressing the treatment of that nationality has been in jokes over the course of my lifetime, though I do still like a good Pollack joke. The kind the late Norm MacDonald used to tell. Yes, one extreme to another. Prost!
As an actual Polack (it gets fishy when you use 2 l's), I can relate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_0q_CXl41s
Yes, that's the joke. One L, oh jeez, there goes my woke status down another notch! I'm headed for pure incel loser here. But may I ask, since you seem to be an authority, is the plural Polacks or Poleaxe? I get confused with the whole Slavic thing and Latin. Is it Latins or Latinx?
It's only Poleaxe when you get a bunch of us in a room together, and we're all wearing body spray.
I'm just a white Catholic kid who grew up in Texas. I wasn't aware of Jews. Blacks and Mexicans, yes. Is there any real difference?
Got a little wobbly there at the end, chief, but we'll take it. Todah rabah!
Wobbly is Bari's middle name (and not in the good, Big Bill Heywood sense, neither), so it's just verisimilitude on Roy's part.
I haven't seen the figures either so I guess I'll take your word for it.