Don't that open up to a huge discourse... so many reasons... so many...
Likewise this were one to think about it:
"TRUMP: Fuck the Chief. You know who you answer to? Me!"
(Mandatory reminder that when it comes to the personal as opposed to policy, SCOTGOP has consistently failed to show their loyalty to fPOTUS.)
"[TRUMP gets very close, seems to be on the verge of laying hands on KAVANAUGH.]"
I miss the days when Roy's Trump was too weak to throw a paperweight, anything.
BTW: Everyone knows 2024 has 13 months (at least); not going to end til sometime in January 2025.
Enough joking. Re the Gay matter, gotta say that it seems the big thing was slapping only women Ivy presidents, no men. That Gay is Black is secondary IMO.
The Rufo gambit here also raises the question of just how good academically the Ivies really are. Their reps and that they're networking finishing schools for nepbabies surely is a huge factor. Maybe once they were hotbeds of academic excellence but -- again -- one wonders to what extent that might still be the case.
I agree -Many wonder how widespread plagiarism is and whether she’s an outlier or not.Many also wonder what is higher education in a nation that hates knowledge and education and stuff.
I'm Ivy-adjacent: husband (Yale and Chicago) taught at Cornell for 43 years, two sons are alumni, lived and made friends in the academic neighborhood, sometimes even worked there myself in humble positions. Of course Cornell is considered a "lesser" [insert eye-roll here] Ivy, partly on account of its singular composition as both a private and a state-supported, original land grant institution, but that's what also makes it a reflection of society at large.
Academia is still the last refuge of that unfashionable being, the idealist. Every serious scientist or student of the humanities (they still exist!) is an idealist, and plagiarism is the original sin (however, stealing from your grad students is allowed, up to a point). But it's still about money: are you doing fundable research that bring in grants to support those students and your department? The tension between idealism and materialism is acute, but people are still dedicated to doing important, original research that makes life better — and even teaching undergraduates, too, which is academic idealism at its purest (i.e., there's no payoff).
Cornell's hotel school Illustrates how materialism has completely corrupted society at large: the world's first and still considered the best, it was subsumed into the business school. Only saps go into operations (i.e., actually running a hotel); the serious money is in real estate.
And Industrial & Labor Relations (begun with the assistance of FDR's Secy. of Labor, Frances Perkins) continues to seesaw between labor and management. Nowadays, it looks like labor is regaining some preeminence.
Thanks for this. We're planning a whirlwind trip based on a mandatory wedding appearance in Rochester, with stops in Ithaca and Corning. Anyway, the Ithaca stops is all about Cornell, beginning with the Ornithology center and expanding from there. Looks like a beaut of a campus and the town seems pretty workable too (from Googlemaps elevation).
Bonus oddity: Francis Perkins lived in our building.
Sorry to disappoint you, but the Lab of O is closed for renovations until June. However, you can still walk around the outdoor trails. The art museum is pretty good for a small one.
Likely the wingtips got their drawers in a twist and BOOM! she gone. Nothing to do with plagiarism (even my Harvard-centric friends say "Nope. Donors.")
And what's especially sickening about this is how it all feeds into antisemitic lies about rich Jews controlling everything. I don't care what the religion of these hedge-fund billionaires is, but I know the Nazis only need to find one Jew, and they're more than willing to lie if all these guys turned out to be Protestants.
And your average Republican rat-fucker operative has got to be salivating at the prospect of setting two important Democratic interest groups against one another. The pitch to Black folks is probably, "See, da Jews got it all rigged, no reason to even bother voting."
I read something that felt authoritative, that said that academics don't care about the plagiarizing of *language,* but only of ideas. Of course, now that I think of it, do the one and you've done the other. Begorrah!
I'm sure it's different in different fields, in the sciences people want you to use the same words, exactly, because precision is a big thing for them. Obviously different if you're an English prof writing fiction.
Except someone who does research for a living tells me the plagiarism charges are bullshit. One of them is that the acknowledgement in her dissertation was similar to the acknowledgement in another student's dissertation, something like: "For my parents, who believed in me even when I didn't." Not exactly an original thought, but it's a fucking acknowledgement fer Chrissakes. The rest of it sounds like technical issues with citations, nobody seriously claiming she was passing someone else's work off as her own.
Honestly, I'm refusing to learn more about this bullshit. A prof I know says she's now having her research group recheck all their citations for proper form, nobody stole anything or used anyone else's work without attribution, but now apparently the FORM of your citations can get you in trouble. Why the fuck do we let these assholes (who actually represent a tiny, tiny minority of the population) do this shit to us?
Also, in the sciences, if you're citing my work I WANT you to use EXACTLY the words I used, because my research group probably spent a week on that one sentence choosing the exact phrases justified by the data we had. People in the sciences don't take kindly to paraphrasing just so it can be "in your own words."
But what the fuck do I know, I'm no researcher, just a lowly Community-College teacher, but some researchers will let me hang with them, and boy are they some mixture of pissed and terrified right now.
It's been one of the endless number of stories that are pushed into the mainstream, where few people have a sense of what's going on, unless they have some connection to the story. In the time before Gay's resignation, a bunch of academics and the editorial staff at the Crimson were the only people writing anything that seemed credible. Dan Moynihan is good on how for Rufo, Stefanik, et. al, it was always about coming for DEI. https://donmoynihan.substack.com/p/the-campaign-to-remove-the-president
Right, like we're all supposed to suddenly become experts in proper academic citation technique, instead of simply pointing out that the whole business is transparently in bad faith.
As a Professor who does research for at least part of their living, the plagiarism charges are very minor errors that would get an undergraduate a talking to.
I'm not about to read her papers, but I've been following the thing on Lawyers Guns &Money. All, I think< professors none of whom like administrators and they all say that the "plagiarism" isn't major or important and is being used as an excuse to fles their muscle and get rid of somebody they think will slow their agenda. Plus she is black and a woman which is just cream for them. Don't buy into it.
Have to disagree with one point--that Gay is Black is *primary*. There's a lot of people on both sides of the aisle who are uncomfortable with a Black woman in a position of power (VP Harris for example). Chris Rufo's Electronic Lynch Mob isn't just made up of, or made possible by, Conservatives.
In view of what happened with Penn’s white president, can’t agree that it was primary although certainly in the mix. How you say, an unanticipated bonus for the fuckers.
If anything, Gay’s resignation is an indictment of how chickenshit Harvard was that this bastion of academic excellence (allegedly; as noted, not sure such still exists) to have this resolved. So actually the honky was made an example of first.
But shitty as the Times was under Baquet, it managed to get worse under Kahn.
Of course the Gay hunt got all the publicity (even McArdle acknowledges this, though typically missing the point), and the salient factors are her color and her (absurdly) alleged antisemitism -- because those are indeed rightwing equities at the moment (the latter suddenly made so by Netanyahu's war).
Primary, for sure, as Rufo trumpets every move. In this witch hunt against women presidents of ivies, Gay always was intended as double trophy. When the antisemitism charge didn't oust her, they reverse engineered plagiarism. As soon as he got his"scapl," Rufo recommenced crowing that next up will be rooting out DEI from all institutions.
I'm beginning to wonder if he gets invited to these shebeens simply to be tormented (or possibly because the rest of the crew knows Roy will have more fun with it.)
The height of fantasy, that Noonan would threaten Trump! I’d have sooner believed a Sandworm appeared out of the ground and swallowed him (then spit him out and said, “Yuk!”). Meanwhile, as Trump alludes to, the profession of bomb squad is poised to have a banner year. Not that the DOJ has given us any indication of understanding the stakes at risk, but quick arrests and trials with multi-lifetimes sentences for domestic terrorists are in order to discourage the 40% from continuing this campaign against election officials.
I am sincerely chastened by the knowledge that what I allegedly wrote/said could have such an effect on some easily-inflamed souls. But once burnt, well, let's just say crispy is better than juicy and leave there.
About Noonan: Everybody is better in Roy's portrayals than they are in real life, because who would want to spend even a minute with an accurate picture of these assholes?
I think, reincarnated as a charwoman, Noonan would try to pull the Lady act on Tubby, who would calculate the potential damage (made men in the next room) and split. In real life it would all be very different.
And now I've spent a heady afternoon following links from that song, landing squarely on "The Mrs Thatcher Song" that is as lively as you like, typified by lyrics such as
"If I were a taxidermist well I'd tell you to get stuffed"
Cleared? I take issue with this! He wasn’t cleared since the FBI investigation was spearheaded from the Whitehouse and most of the witnesses were never interviewed. He was cleared because the entire affair was staged and rigged.
That said, include Thomas, Johnson, Stephen Miller and a few of Congress’s worst republican’s at this meeting, and we could get rid of all of America’s scum in one fell swoop!
And speaking of plagiarism, much of his MO is the fascist plagairized version of Alinsky. Rufo's wingnut welfare-subsidized "personalize the target" shtick, enforced by the hate speech and death threats mob.
Good observation, I remember one of Alinsky's rules is "Use the institution's own rules against it". So any University has to take plagiarism seriously, must have procedures for investigating charges of plagiarism, can't just brush off such charges, even if it's ridiculous nonsense from the Washington Free Beacon. So of course they have to investigate, and then you've got "Investigated for plagiarism." All you need is the headline, you don't care what any investigation finds, now it's "Harvard's embattled President under investigation."
Like when Trump was pressuring Zelensky to "investigate" the Bidens, he didn't care what the investigation found or even if there was any investigation at all, he just wanted the headline "Biden investigated by Ukraine."
Use democracy against itself, is always at work. The fascists are good at plagairizing the left to build funhouse mirror tools. And adopting supposed heroes of the left, as models of how to defeat the enemy. Was it Grover Norquist who was the big Lenin fan? So much of this stuff repeats, and blends together in the brain cells it lays waste. Alinsky for Fascists was all the rage a while ago. The Dem voter who would have recognized the name was rare, but you can be sure all the Fox grandpas knew it. He may not have been who introduced it, but it probably was connected to O'Keefe and his trophies (ACORN, Shirley Sherrod...)
That’s a good rant. It is always assumed by the feckless center-left pundits described in the linked article that the right wing malefactors are acting in good faith and just asking questions, and that the idiot boy from Deliverance makes a good point.
I love a good rant, and I'm likely to go off on one myself at the drop of a hat, but I do feel a need to point out that the fuckin' New York Times is not The American People. What's happened, I think, is that right-wing provocateurs have gotten better and better at these "Tempest in a teapot" things where the "teapot" is a circle inhabited by media elites and nobody else. So it doesn't land with the public, which quickly forgets whatever the fuck we were supposed to be outraged about.
When your schtick is ginnin up outrage over who's the President of Harvard, I'd say you've lost the common touch, to put it mildly.
This is a great point. It's worth remembering--and this is what Roberts' rant is about--that the right wages the "culture war" (such as it is) because they can't wage a political war. Not only do they have nothing to offer the public, they've given up even pretending they do. All they can do now is say to their orc army, "See? We assassinated these egghead university presidents!" and wait for the cheers. I would just qualify what Roberts wrote with, "Yes, lefty pundits should stop letting bad-faith reich-wing assholes set the terms of the discussion. But who reads them, anyway? Only other lefty intellectuals. Dems should ignore both factions, and press their political case."
MSNBC: "Let's talk to these people who have been standing in the cold for six hours to get into a Trump rally to see whether the former President's controversial pro-slavery remarks have shaken their support for him."
NYT: The regulars who meet for coffee most mornings at Norm's Down-home Diner in Coon Rapids, Iowa, agree that Trump's proposal to reinstitute slavery would save the family farm and the American ideals it represents.
Bill Ackman, who sounds like a Berke Breathed character, is a big Harvard donor who really wanted Gay out. It turns out his wife is/was a Professor at MIT and did essentially the same things as Gay. Big Money Bill does not think it's a big deal in his wife's case. His wife made "honest mistakes of exactly the same kind as Gay, whose mistakes were evidently not honest and exhibited "serious plagiarism issues"
Got to this late. Guy's making a fool of himself. But he's also keeping the whole "plagiarism" "scandal" alive (notwithstanding it looks like his wife actually did it!). So it's a wash.
"DOUTHAT: Why do you all make mock of me?"
Don't that open up to a huge discourse... so many reasons... so many...
Likewise this were one to think about it:
"TRUMP: Fuck the Chief. You know who you answer to? Me!"
(Mandatory reminder that when it comes to the personal as opposed to policy, SCOTGOP has consistently failed to show their loyalty to fPOTUS.)
"[TRUMP gets very close, seems to be on the verge of laying hands on KAVANAUGH.]"
I miss the days when Roy's Trump was too weak to throw a paperweight, anything.
BTW: Everyone knows 2024 has 13 months (at least); not going to end til sometime in January 2025.
Enough joking. Re the Gay matter, gotta say that it seems the big thing was slapping only women Ivy presidents, no men. That Gay is Black is secondary IMO.
The Rufo gambit here also raises the question of just how good academically the Ivies really are. Their reps and that they're networking finishing schools for nepbabies surely is a huge factor. Maybe once they were hotbeds of academic excellence but -- again -- one wonders to what extent that might still be the case.
True. When someone can become president of the Big H on the strength of 11 heavily plagiarized articles, it kinda makes you wonder.
It also makes one wonder how widespread plagiarism is and whether she’s an outlier or not.
Too: what is higher education in a nation that hates knowledge and education and stuff.
Good point.
Yup.
I agree -Many wonder how widespread plagiarism is and whether she’s an outlier or not.Many also wonder what is higher education in a nation that hates knowledge and education and stuff.
I'm Ivy-adjacent: husband (Yale and Chicago) taught at Cornell for 43 years, two sons are alumni, lived and made friends in the academic neighborhood, sometimes even worked there myself in humble positions. Of course Cornell is considered a "lesser" [insert eye-roll here] Ivy, partly on account of its singular composition as both a private and a state-supported, original land grant institution, but that's what also makes it a reflection of society at large.
Academia is still the last refuge of that unfashionable being, the idealist. Every serious scientist or student of the humanities (they still exist!) is an idealist, and plagiarism is the original sin (however, stealing from your grad students is allowed, up to a point). But it's still about money: are you doing fundable research that bring in grants to support those students and your department? The tension between idealism and materialism is acute, but people are still dedicated to doing important, original research that makes life better — and even teaching undergraduates, too, which is academic idealism at its purest (i.e., there's no payoff).
Cornell's hotel school Illustrates how materialism has completely corrupted society at large: the world's first and still considered the best, it was subsumed into the business school. Only saps go into operations (i.e., actually running a hotel); the serious money is in real estate.
And Industrial & Labor Relations (begun with the assistance of FDR's Secy. of Labor, Frances Perkins) continues to seesaw between labor and management. Nowadays, it looks like labor is regaining some preeminence.
Thanks for this. We're planning a whirlwind trip based on a mandatory wedding appearance in Rochester, with stops in Ithaca and Corning. Anyway, the Ithaca stops is all about Cornell, beginning with the Ornithology center and expanding from there. Looks like a beaut of a campus and the town seems pretty workable too (from Googlemaps elevation).
Bonus oddity: Francis Perkins lived in our building.
Sorry to disappoint you, but the Lab of O is closed for renovations until June. However, you can still walk around the outdoor trails. The art museum is pretty good for a small one.
Likely the wingtips got their drawers in a twist and BOOM! she gone. Nothing to do with plagiarism (even my Harvard-centric friends say "Nope. Donors.")
Yep, here's one of them, writes a 4000-word screed about "racism against White people"
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2024/jan/03/bill-ackman-billionaire-attacks-claudine-gay-harvard-twitter-x
And what's especially sickening about this is how it all feeds into antisemitic lies about rich Jews controlling everything. I don't care what the religion of these hedge-fund billionaires is, but I know the Nazis only need to find one Jew, and they're more than willing to lie if all these guys turned out to be Protestants.
And your average Republican rat-fucker operative has got to be salivating at the prospect of setting two important Democratic interest groups against one another. The pitch to Black folks is probably, "See, da Jews got it all rigged, no reason to even bother voting."
I suspect that "plagiarism" is now like "antisemitism", we define it broadly enough and you'll find it everywhere.
Bingo
Bingo
I see what u did there...
I read something that felt authoritative, that said that academics don't care about the plagiarizing of *language,* but only of ideas. Of course, now that I think of it, do the one and you've done the other. Begorrah!
I'm sure it's different in different fields, in the sciences people want you to use the same words, exactly, because precision is a big thing for them. Obviously different if you're an English prof writing fiction.
Particularly of one includes having an acknowledgement section that reads like another acknowledgement section. They all read approximately the same.
Except someone who does research for a living tells me the plagiarism charges are bullshit. One of them is that the acknowledgement in her dissertation was similar to the acknowledgement in another student's dissertation, something like: "For my parents, who believed in me even when I didn't." Not exactly an original thought, but it's a fucking acknowledgement fer Chrissakes. The rest of it sounds like technical issues with citations, nobody seriously claiming she was passing someone else's work off as her own.
That’s what I have been hearing. Now I have confusion so I will stay tuned.
Yup.
Honestly, I'm refusing to learn more about this bullshit. A prof I know says she's now having her research group recheck all their citations for proper form, nobody stole anything or used anyone else's work without attribution, but now apparently the FORM of your citations can get you in trouble. Why the fuck do we let these assholes (who actually represent a tiny, tiny minority of the population) do this shit to us?
Also, in the sciences, if you're citing my work I WANT you to use EXACTLY the words I used, because my research group probably spent a week on that one sentence choosing the exact phrases justified by the data we had. People in the sciences don't take kindly to paraphrasing just so it can be "in your own words."
But what the fuck do I know, I'm no researcher, just a lowly Community-College teacher, but some researchers will let me hang with them, and boy are they some mixture of pissed and terrified right now.
Same. While I care not a whit about Ivy League politics, I stand firm that if Elise Stefanik is agin' it, I'm fer it.
I'm as likely to look into these charges of plagiarism as I am to look into the allegations that Joe Biden is an international crime-master.
It's been one of the endless number of stories that are pushed into the mainstream, where few people have a sense of what's going on, unless they have some connection to the story. In the time before Gay's resignation, a bunch of academics and the editorial staff at the Crimson were the only people writing anything that seemed credible. Dan Moynihan is good on how for Rufo, Stefanik, et. al, it was always about coming for DEI. https://donmoynihan.substack.com/p/the-campaign-to-remove-the-president
*Don* Moynihan, never "Dan"! (I'll leave that blunder, as some sort of point about the garbage ideas we get exposed to over a lifetime)
Right, like we're all supposed to suddenly become experts in proper academic citation technique, instead of simply pointing out that the whole business is transparently in bad faith.
As a Professor who does research for at least part of their living, the plagiarism charges are very minor errors that would get an undergraduate a talking to.
I'm not about to read her papers, but I've been following the thing on Lawyers Guns &Money. All, I think< professors none of whom like administrators and they all say that the "plagiarism" isn't major or important and is being used as an excuse to fles their muscle and get rid of somebody they think will slow their agenda. Plus she is black and a woman which is just cream for them. Don't buy into it.
They weren't heavily plagiarized, quit accepting Chris Rufo's lying buddies lies
Have to disagree with one point--that Gay is Black is *primary*. There's a lot of people on both sides of the aisle who are uncomfortable with a Black woman in a position of power (VP Harris for example). Chris Rufo's Electronic Lynch Mob isn't just made up of, or made possible by, Conservatives.
In view of what happened with Penn’s white president, can’t agree that it was primary although certainly in the mix. How you say, an unanticipated bonus for the fuckers.
Gotcha. But two solid weeks of New York Times stories? Congressional hearings? Someone was to be made an example of.
Penn’s president was beheaded weeks ago.
If anything, Gay’s resignation is an indictment of how chickenshit Harvard was that this bastion of academic excellence (allegedly; as noted, not sure such still exists) to have this resolved. So actually the honky was made an example of first.
But shitty as the Times was under Baquet, it managed to get worse under Kahn.
Of course the Gay hunt got all the publicity (even McArdle acknowledges this, though typically missing the point), and the salient factors are her color and her (absurdly) alleged antisemitism -- because those are indeed rightwing equities at the moment (the latter suddenly made so by Netanyahu's war).
And Beebee a Harvard Man! Gracious me!!
Also: Harvard.
Primary, for sure, as Rufo trumpets every move. In this witch hunt against women presidents of ivies, Gay always was intended as double trophy. When the antisemitism charge didn't oust her, they reverse engineered plagiarism. As soon as he got his"scapl," Rufo recommenced crowing that next up will be rooting out DEI from all institutions.
Gay, Black, Female: it's the Trinity!!
The Devil's Tritone to conservatives
Ross "I Won't" Douthat - professional wee gobshite.
I'm beginning to wonder if he gets invited to these shebeens simply to be tormented (or possibly because the rest of the crew knows Roy will have more fun with it.)
Ross "I Would Do Anything for God But I Won't" Douthat
Excellent ,-
Though you may never top -
"Come, now, boyo, ye had yer fun with the hottentot, "
Are you prepared to peak so soon?
I prefer to think of it as Roy is just warming up.
I've laughed at that line five times already.
What makes the Hottentots so hot? Courage!
it's in the name, they are both hot & tots
Hotsy Totsy
Better than that bible thingie I hear so many good folks are all hot about these dayz...
2 marks!
Also: "MIZ NOONAN, the charwoman"
This alone is worth another 2, but don't push it, boyo!
LOL as the kids say.
Infighting is funny.
The height of fantasy, that Noonan would threaten Trump! I’d have sooner believed a Sandworm appeared out of the ground and swallowed him (then spit him out and said, “Yuk!”). Meanwhile, as Trump alludes to, the profession of bomb squad is poised to have a banner year. Not that the DOJ has given us any indication of understanding the stakes at risk, but quick arrests and trials with multi-lifetimes sentences for domestic terrorists are in order to discourage the 40% from continuing this campaign against election officials.
On the docket: 60 day stints in the Gulag (minimum security), slaps on the pee-pee, and public service that will never actually be accomplished.
Hey, don't forget the letters of apology!
I am sincerely chastened by the knowledge that what I allegedly wrote/said could have such an effect on some easily-inflamed souls. But once burnt, well, let's just say crispy is better than juicy and leave there.
"I apologize for the thing you said I did, whatever it was."
Dunno. The public service most likely to serve the public would be to go away and never come back. Easily accomplished, no?
How can we miss them if they won't go away?
About Noonan: Everybody is better in Roy's portrayals than they are in real life, because who would want to spend even a minute with an accurate picture of these assholes?
I think, reincarnated as a charwoman, Noonan would try to pull the Lady act on Tubby, who would calculate the potential damage (made men in the next room) and split. In real life it would all be very different.
Nah. I'm waiting for the Supremes to declare bomb threats protected speech.
Like the Second Amendment gave the First a good, hard fucking.
STOP! In the Name of Speech!
Before You Slake the Leach!
[having no idea what that means i'll now abandon the field]
I would throw in a word for the Peg: she'd be a great standin for granny if anyone threatened her bin. And thus, kudos for Roy's musical fadeout...
And now I've spent a heady afternoon following links from that song, landing squarely on "The Mrs Thatcher Song" that is as lively as you like, typified by lyrics such as
"If I were a taxidermist well I'd tell you to get stuffed"
Coulda been worse afternoons...
Link?
Yup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DrK8g29Gsc
“Kavenaugh: You can’t! I was cleared!”
Cleared? I take issue with this! He wasn’t cleared since the FBI investigation was spearheaded from the Whitehouse and most of the witnesses were never interviewed. He was cleared because the entire affair was staged and rigged.
That said, include Thomas, Johnson, Stephen Miller and a few of Congress’s worst republican’s at this meeting, and we could get rid of all of America’s scum in one fell swoop!
Now that would be poetic justice...:)
Seems pretty clear to me...
Color me derelict (not to be confused with Derelict of course). Meant to gift you all with the link to the not unrelated rant:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1742296213628788970.html
*THIS*
Seconding. Sooner or later liberals/leftists are going to have to choose to *fight*, if only to stay out of the concentration camps.
Yes. With the points about "center-left pundits" here, we should remember MLK calling out white moderates as more devoted to "order" than to justice.
"to accept the frame that the right has established and dutifully make judgments within it"
Once again, anticipating tyranny.
"We are all Christopher Rufo's bitches now"
And speaking of plagiarism, much of his MO is the fascist plagairized version of Alinsky. Rufo's wingnut welfare-subsidized "personalize the target" shtick, enforced by the hate speech and death threats mob.
Good observation, I remember one of Alinsky's rules is "Use the institution's own rules against it". So any University has to take plagiarism seriously, must have procedures for investigating charges of plagiarism, can't just brush off such charges, even if it's ridiculous nonsense from the Washington Free Beacon. So of course they have to investigate, and then you've got "Investigated for plagiarism." All you need is the headline, you don't care what any investigation finds, now it's "Harvard's embattled President under investigation."
Like when Trump was pressuring Zelensky to "investigate" the Bidens, he didn't care what the investigation found or even if there was any investigation at all, he just wanted the headline "Biden investigated by Ukraine."
Use democracy against itself, is always at work. The fascists are good at plagairizing the left to build funhouse mirror tools. And adopting supposed heroes of the left, as models of how to defeat the enemy. Was it Grover Norquist who was the big Lenin fan? So much of this stuff repeats, and blends together in the brain cells it lays waste. Alinsky for Fascists was all the rage a while ago. The Dem voter who would have recognized the name was rare, but you can be sure all the Fox grandpas knew it. He may not have been who introduced it, but it probably was connected to O'Keefe and his trophies (ACORN, Shirley Sherrod...)
Similarly the drearly departed Jack Chick was inspired by post-Mao propaganda pamphlets to make his infamous tracts. So "Haw haw" y'all..
Hahahaha.
No fucking way.
I mean til we get one party rule next January and dissent
That’s a good rant. It is always assumed by the feckless center-left pundits described in the linked article that the right wing malefactors are acting in good faith and just asking questions, and that the idiot boy from Deliverance makes a good point.
I love a good rant, and I'm likely to go off on one myself at the drop of a hat, but I do feel a need to point out that the fuckin' New York Times is not The American People. What's happened, I think, is that right-wing provocateurs have gotten better and better at these "Tempest in a teapot" things where the "teapot" is a circle inhabited by media elites and nobody else. So it doesn't land with the public, which quickly forgets whatever the fuck we were supposed to be outraged about.
When your schtick is ginnin up outrage over who's the President of Harvard, I'd say you've lost the common touch, to put it mildly.
This is a great point. It's worth remembering--and this is what Roberts' rant is about--that the right wages the "culture war" (such as it is) because they can't wage a political war. Not only do they have nothing to offer the public, they've given up even pretending they do. All they can do now is say to their orc army, "See? We assassinated these egghead university presidents!" and wait for the cheers. I would just qualify what Roberts wrote with, "Yes, lefty pundits should stop letting bad-faith reich-wing assholes set the terms of the discussion. But who reads them, anyway? Only other lefty intellectuals. Dems should ignore both factions, and press their political case."
They'd be dangerous (OK, MORE dangerous) if they had an economic program and a heath care plan.
They have both -- shovel all the moneys to their rich benefactors and Trump (economics); you die broke in the street (health care)
Another line from the Mrs Thatcher song:
You've destroyed me hired purchase
And you put me on the dole
If I could get me hands on you
I'd kick you up the hole
Stand down, Margaret
I can see it's going to be an Irish Spring.
*young red haired miss finishes typing bomb threat, hits send, turns to camera*
"Manly, yes, but I like it too!"
...and *scene.*
Ah yes - the Temptress in a Teapot!
I'm waiting for Trump to endorse slavery.
MSNBC: "Let's talk to these people who have been standing in the cold for six hours to get into a Trump rally to see whether the former President's controversial pro-slavery remarks have shaken their support for him."
NYT: The regulars who meet for coffee most mornings at Norm's Down-home Diner in Coon Rapids, Iowa, agree that Trump's proposal to reinstitute slavery would save the family farm and the American ideals it represents.
"Now that the goddamn government's choked off our supply of Illegals, what choice do we got?"
On the plus side, I think it's pretty cool how fast those Iowa coons go...
Nothing worse than a coon with the runs.
He's already in violation of the Fourteenth Amendment; violation of the Thirteenth Amendment would be, so to speak, lagniappe.
(One, two, many Amendments. . . )
Trump's second term, be prepared to quarter some soldiers in your spare bedroom.
I was thinkin' more along the lines of doin' whatever the hell I want all the time just to uphold Nº10.
You didn't say I can't!
Bill Ackman, who sounds like a Berke Breathed character, is a big Harvard donor who really wanted Gay out. It turns out his wife is/was a Professor at MIT and did essentially the same things as Gay. Big Money Bill does not think it's a big deal in his wife's case. His wife made "honest mistakes of exactly the same kind as Gay, whose mistakes were evidently not honest and exhibited "serious plagiarism issues"
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/how-plagiarism-by-claudine-gay-harvards-former-president-compares-to-that-of-neri-oxman-an-academic-and-bill-ackmans-wife/ar-AA1muoGh
"Bill Ackman, who sounds like a Berke Breathed character"
Nicely observed, doc
Got to this late. Guy's making a fool of himself. But he's also keeping the whole "plagiarism" "scandal" alive (notwithstanding it looks like his wife actually did it!). So it's a wash.